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Hello Loveritas.

loveritas Wrote:
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> No.

So why do we say it as fact then?

> Ossburn is of the opinion that Suphis II (Kafre)
> and Userkare were contemporaneous kings, one
> ruling from Memphis, and the other, from Abydos.

Does anyone but Osburn hold this opinion?

> Suphis and Noh-Suphis were, according to Osburn,
> co-regents, and brothers, each having a different
> cartouche. Vyse, knowingly, or not, discovered
> (giving him the benefit of the doubt) both
> cartouches in the Great Pyramid. Not the Khufu
> cartouche in one location and the KK in another.

According to Petrie I believe writing in 1883 (Pyramid Odyssey, Fix):
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Another name is found on the blocks in the Pyramid, side by side with those bearing the name of Khufu. This other name is the same as that of Khufu, with the prefix of two hieroglyphs, a jug and a ram and it is variously rendered Khnumu-Khufu, Nh-Shufu, and Shu-Shufu. The most destructive theory about this king is that he is identical with Khufu, and that the ram is merely a symbol of the god Shu, and put as the determinative in this place of the first syllable of the name. But against this hypothesis it must be observed (1) that the pronunciation was Khufu, and not Shufu, in the early times; (2) that the first hieroglyph, the jug, is thus unexplained; and (3) that there is no similar prefix of a determinative to a king's name, in any other instance out of the hundreds of names, and thousands of variants, known....

The only great royal inscription (of Khufu) is on the rocks of Sinai. There are two tablets: one with the name and titles of Khufu, the other with the king smiting an enemy, and the name Khnum-khufu The name is found in five places The two names being placed in succession in one inscription cannot be mere chance variants of the same. Either they must be two distinct and independent names of one king, or else two separate kings. If they were separate kings, Khnum-khuf must have been the most important.

> However, the only effigy of Khufu was found, not
> at Giza, but Abydos.

Uh, huh...

On the lower left is supposedly written his Horus name (serekh), but no carouche.

Here is a statue found in the 4th Dynasty Giza mastaba of Seneb and his wife:


Originally it was thought to belong to the 5th/6th Dynasty but according to Wikipedia/Seneb has since been definitively dated to the reign of Djedefre (Radjedef). The two children depicted in the statute are named Radjedef (Djedefre) on the left and Khufu on the right:


As we can see Khufu is clearly depicted as a female with the customary white skin and female genitalia. To look at the Khufu statue again:


A man or a woman? The statue of Seneb is very curious. To quote myself from HERE:
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Anyhoo, the lines in the circle are obviously not meant to represent the "kh" in "Khufu" and could not be one and the same as a sieve despite appearances. No other pharaoh required this not even KHafre. And also, the Khufu cartouche has many variations of lines and no lines all of which spell the same thing. This is highlighted on Merykhufu's tomb which depicts both empty circle and a 3 line circle. For me, I can only conclude that lines in the RA disk, regardless of how many, mean something different than no lines and a dot or nothing. Considering Khufu is the only pharaoh in the history of Egypt to have his RA disk not only depicted with lines, but depicted with something other than the customary no lines or dot there is obviously something unique about Khufu and the meaning of the lined RA disk.

To paraphrase the rest, the lines of the sieve (RA circle) have been said to represent the placenta which given Khufu is the only pharaoh to have these lines in their RA disk I have raised the possibility this may denote Khufu was in fact a woman of whom as had happened in earlier Dynasties were known to have been co-regents.

Just a thought. So maybe these cartouches refer to a Mr and Mrs Smith....

Regardless, the statuette attributed to Khufu is wearing the crown/headdress of the god Amun, akin to the Red Crown of Upper (southern Egypt) which though Atum dates to most likely the beginnings of Dynastic Egypt and was popular during the OK, this style of crown as far as I can tell was a later convention appearing in the MK/NK:


Regardless of who it represents, or their gender, all things considered I think it is very unlikely, as does Hawass apparently, this statue dates to OK and is more likely to be from later funerary cults possibly as late as the 26th Dynasty.

I would also note from the thread Mastabas of Giza-Reference and Commentary:
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There are dozens and dozens of Khufu cartouches to be found in many of the [Giza] mastabas which in context do not appear to be referring to Khufu the pharaoh. For someone with the time and interest it would be well worth sorting this out as it would seem to speak directly to what the cartouche really meant and who or what it was actually referring to.

I wasn't thinking about it at the time but I do not recall seeing too many "Khnum Khuf" if any though I honestly do not remember. It would be interesting to comb through these and see if there are.

> In maintaining consistency, if Osburn is correct,
> one could expect to find the cartouche of both
> Kafre and Userkare in G2 or its satellite temples.
> Is such the case?

You tell me.

> One could also ask oneself the question, why did
> the quarrymen daub one block with the Khufu
> cartouche, and another with the KK cartouche? It
> would seem likely that, because the destination
> was the same, both cartouches were understood as
> belonging to one entity and were interchangeable.

The naming scheme for pharaohs is complicated, but why would some quarrymen, or folk like Merer as I note, prefer one name over another which again in the case of Merer in the same set of documents?

> What I find interesting is the fact that the Khufu
> character doesn't have a Re inclusion in his name,
> considering the preference for Re to be included
> in his family's names and many generations hence.
> His preference was for Khnum which indicates quite
> a difference in his divination (God/King).

Abydos King's list:


Many do not have the RA inclusion.

> Doesn't explain the fact of both cartouches being
> in G1 though.

Nope.

If anyone knows of any evidence as to why these names are now considered to be one and the same and not co-regents as was accepted by many until at least the early 20th century please provide it.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 06-Jun-16 05:52 by Thanos5150.

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Re: Expert? Specialist? 477 Audrey 30-Jun-16 05:06
Re: Expert? Specialist? 458 Origyptian 30-Jun-16 15:07
Re: Expert? Specialist? 482 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-16 06:14
Re: Expert? Specialist? 421 Corpuscles 30-Jun-16 23:14
Re: Expert? Specialist? 431 Audrey 30-Jun-16 23:37
Re: Expert? Specialist? 398 Martin Stower 30-Jun-16 23:48
Re: Expert? Specialist? 463 Audrey 01-Jul-16 00:36
Re: Expert? Specialist? 476 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 00:50
Re: Expert? Specialist? 354 Audrey 01-Jul-16 01:09
Re: Expert? Specialist? 470 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 01:55
Re: Expert? Specialist? 411 Audrey 01-Jul-16 01:57
Re: Expert? Specialist? 500 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 01:59
Re: Expert? Specialist? 480 Origyptian 01-Jul-16 04:18
Re: Expert? Specialist? 459 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 14:55
Please, Steven 488 drrayeye 01-Jul-16 00:44
Re: Please, Steven 460 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 01:19
Re: Please, Steven 520 Audrey 01-Jul-16 01:56
Re: Please, Steven 533 Origyptian 01-Jul-16 04:24
Re: Please, Steven 418 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 15:01
Re: Expert? Specialist? 421 Origyptian 26-Jun-16 18:12
Re: Expert? Specialist? 477 Merrell 26-Jun-16 19:18
Re: Expert? Specialist? 442 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 00:03
Re: Expert? Specialist? 403 Merrell 27-Jun-16 07:00
Re: Expert? Specialist? 483 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 13:19
Re: Expert? Specialist? 366 Jon Ellison 27-Jun-16 13:48
Re: Expert? Specialist? 458 Merrell 27-Jun-16 14:56
Re: Expert? Specialist? 448 Jon Ellison 27-Jun-16 15:11
Re: Expert? Specialist? 421 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 15:28
Re: Expert? Specialist? 409 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 15:42
Re: Expert? Specialist? 547 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 17:37
Re: Expert? Specialist? 473 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 17:45
Re: Expert? Specialist? 528 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 21:13
Re: Expert? Specialist? 553 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 22:32
Re: Expert? Specialist? 461 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 00:21
Re: Expert? Specialist? 508 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 15:02
Re: Expert? Specialist? 488 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 15:40
Re: Expert? Specialist? 483 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 15:48
Re: Expert? Specialist? 374 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 15:55
Re: Expert? Specialist? 558 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 16:24
Re: Expert? Specialist? 388 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 18:30
Re: Expert? Specialist? 459 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 21:27
Re: Expert? Specialist? 456 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 01:59
Re: Expert? Specialist? 435 eyeofhorus33 27-Jun-16 17:00
Re: Expert? Specialist? 498 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 18:51
Re: Gatekeeping 404 Thunderbird 27-Jun-16 16:38
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 503 Audrey 26-Jun-16 01:54
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 580 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:24
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 428 Audrey 26-Jun-16 02:42
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 510 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:18
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 507 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 03:27
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 416 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:31
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 514 Audrey 26-Jun-16 03:40
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 418 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:46
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 450 Audrey 26-Jun-16 03:52
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 452 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 04:23
No Moderator Conspiracy 434 loveritas 27-Jun-16 05:55
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 443 Morten 25-Jun-16 23:19
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 419 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:37
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 490 Audrey 25-Jun-16 23:51
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 412 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 00:45
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 515 Audrey 26-Jun-16 01:49
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 566 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:12
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 410 DScribr 30-Jun-16 02:48
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 482 Merrell 25-Jun-16 10:47
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 439 Merrell 26-Jun-16 13:30
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 434 Audrey 24-Jun-16 16:43
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 568 Martin Stower 24-Jun-16 20:08
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 478 Audrey 24-Jun-16 20:33
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 547 Martin Stower 24-Jun-16 20:47
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 573 Merrell 25-Jun-16 10:59
Re: Perring - Lady Arbuthnot chamber 530 Martin Stower 24-Jun-16 11:38
Post o' the week! 466 DScribr 22-Jun-16 21:07
Summertime In England 485 loveritas 21-Jun-16 05:52
Re: Who Was Khufu? 541 DUNE 21-Jun-16 15:14
Re: Who Was Khufu? 439 Jon Ellison 21-Jun-16 15:22
Re: Who Was Khufu? 545 DUNE 21-Jun-16 16:05
Re: Minute Examination 526 Thunderbird 21-Jun-16 18:12
Re: Minute Examination 489 Martin Stower 21-Jun-16 18:48
Gilligan Accepts Michaelangelo Challenge 648 loveritas 22-Jun-16 03:34
Re: Gilligan Accepts Michaelangelo Challenge 502 Martin Stower 22-Jun-16 20:20
Re: Gilligan and Ginger 539 DScribr 23-Jun-16 19:14
Re: Gilligan and Ginger 585 Martin Stower 23-Jun-16 21:37
Re: Gilligan and Ginger 495 DScribr 23-Jun-16 23:00
Court Rocked By Stalker Allegation! 516 loveritas 22-Jun-16 23:20
Re: Court Rocked By Stalker Allegation! 578 Martin Stower 22-Jun-16 23:57
Creighton's Legal Team In Hiding 570 loveritas 23-Jun-16 23:54
it all boils down to this 499 Warwick 25-Jun-16 19:21
How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 514 Corpuscles 25-Jun-16 23:33
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 527 Audrey 26-Jun-16 00:19
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 528 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 01:24
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 455 Audrey 26-Jun-16 02:17
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 506 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:33
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 523 Audrey 26-Jun-16 02:48
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 430 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 02:52
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 463 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:57
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 490 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 02:59
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 393 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:40
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 434 Audrey 26-Jun-16 03:46
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 553 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 04:04
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 507 Audrey 26-Jun-16 04:47
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 527 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 13:49
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 428 Warwick 26-Jun-16 17:32
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 481 Corpuscles 26-Jun-16 07:01
Re: Who Was Khufu? 525 atul.seth 28-Jun-16 12:48
Re: Who Was Khufu? 481 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 15:13
Re: Who Was Khufu? 544 Howard West 28-Jun-16 15:37
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 484 Brian Patterson 28-Jun-16 16:16
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 495 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 18:09
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 438 wonderwall 28-Jun-16 20:52
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 483 Brian Patterson 28-Jun-16 21:22
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 530 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 04:46
Lackeys 547 loveritas 29-Jun-16 07:19
Re: Lackeys 513 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 08:06
Re: Lackeys 442 Corpuscles 29-Jun-16 09:41
Re: Lackeys 488 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 09:45
Re: Lackeys 441 Audrey 29-Jun-16 15:52
Re: Lackeys 494 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:05
Oxymoron Alert 378 Warwick 29-Jun-16 16:36
Re: Oxymoron Alert 430 Audrey 29-Jun-16 16:58
Re: Oxymoron Alert 419 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 17:06
Re: Oxymoron Alert 460 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:28
Re: Oxymoron Alert 497 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 17:36
Re: Oxymoron Alert 385 Audrey 29-Jun-16 18:47
Re: Oxymoron Alert 388 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 18:59
Surely you Jest 420 WonderWho 29-Jun-16 19:59
Re: Surely you Jest 472 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 20:29
Re: Surely you Jest 434 WonderWho 29-Jun-16 20:48
Re: Oxymoron Alert 441 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 17:32
N/T 406 Merrell 01-Jul-16 17:22
Re: Oxymoron Alert 480 Warwick 29-Jun-16 17:15
Re: Oxymoron Alert 513 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 17:24
Say what? 466 Warwick 30-Jun-16 14:27
Re: Say what? 387 Origyptian 30-Jun-16 15:16
Re: Say what? 450 Warwick 01-Jul-16 16:55
Re: Say what? 461 Origyptian 01-Jul-16 17:10
Re: Say what? 471 Warwick 01-Jul-16 17:28
Re: Say what? 514 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-16 15:26
Re: Say what? 455 Warwick 01-Jul-16 16:51
The Lackey Called John Snape 409 loveritas 29-Jun-16 11:14
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 452 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 11:38
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 519 loveritas 29-Jun-16 11:55
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 431 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 12:01
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 442 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 13:16
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 519 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 13:33
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 415 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 13:47
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 492 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 13:58
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 389 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:09
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 524 Audrey 29-Jun-16 16:28
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 433 eyeofhorus33 29-Jun-16 16:54
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 478 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:01
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 442 eyeofhorus33 29-Jun-16 17:10
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 484 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:30
Re: Lackeys 445 Audrey 29-Jun-16 15:59
Re: Lackeys 426 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:08
Re: Lackeys 500 Audrey 29-Jun-16 16:31
Re: Lackeys 384 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:54
Re: Lackeys 403 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:06
Re: Lackeys 458 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 17:37
Re: Lackeys 389 Audrey 29-Jun-16 18:43
Re: Lackeys 473 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 18:46
Re: Lackeys 490 Audrey 29-Jun-16 18:48
Re: Lackeys 470 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 19:19
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 498 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 12:40
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 463 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 13:35
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 384 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 13:38
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 403 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 14:42
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 460 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 15:16
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 487 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:50
'Officially' in the gutter. 483 DScribr 29-Jun-16 20:16
Scotts 'New" Book 508 DScribr 29-Jun-16 03:36
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 471 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 13:27
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 430 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 14:07
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 439 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:44
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 477 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 15:48
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 420 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:57
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 459 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 16:07
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 439 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:14
n/t 463 DScribr 29-Jun-16 19:59
The Need For Proof. 451 DScribr 29-Jun-16 19:56
Re: The Need For Proof. 475 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 20:00
Hypocrisy 509 DScribr 29-Jun-16 20:10
Re: Hypocrisy 429 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 20:19
Re: Hypocrisy 448 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 20:56
Re: Hypocrisy 411 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 21:01
Re: Hypocrisy 462 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 21:14
Re: Hypocrisy 480 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 21:36
Re: Hypocrisy 431 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 22:21
Re: Hypocrisy 444 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:55
Re: Hypocrisy 385 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:53
Re: Hypocrisy denied, but..... 493 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:50
Re: Hypocrisy 469 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:48
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 432 DScribr 29-Jun-16 19:49
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 424 cladking 29-Jun-16 03:48
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 482 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 05:09
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 385 cladking 29-Jun-16 19:12


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