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Hello Loveritas.

loveritas Wrote:
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> No.

So why do we say it as fact then?

> Ossburn is of the opinion that Suphis II (Kafre)
> and Userkare were contemporaneous kings, one
> ruling from Memphis, and the other, from Abydos.

Does anyone but Osburn hold this opinion?

> Suphis and Noh-Suphis were, according to Osburn,
> co-regents, and brothers, each having a different
> cartouche. Vyse, knowingly, or not, discovered
> (giving him the benefit of the doubt) both
> cartouches in the Great Pyramid. Not the Khufu
> cartouche in one location and the KK in another.

According to Petrie I believe writing in 1883 (Pyramid Odyssey, Fix):
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Another name is found on the blocks in the Pyramid, side by side with those bearing the name of Khufu. This other name is the same as that of Khufu, with the prefix of two hieroglyphs, a jug and a ram and it is variously rendered Khnumu-Khufu, Nh-Shufu, and Shu-Shufu. The most destructive theory about this king is that he is identical with Khufu, and that the ram is merely a symbol of the god Shu, and put as the determinative in this place of the first syllable of the name. But against this hypothesis it must be observed (1) that the pronunciation was Khufu, and not Shufu, in the early times; (2) that the first hieroglyph, the jug, is thus unexplained; and (3) that there is no similar prefix of a determinative to a king's name, in any other instance out of the hundreds of names, and thousands of variants, known....

The only great royal inscription (of Khufu) is on the rocks of Sinai. There are two tablets: one with the name and titles of Khufu, the other with the king smiting an enemy, and the name Khnum-khufu The name is found in five places The two names being placed in succession in one inscription cannot be mere chance variants of the same. Either they must be two distinct and independent names of one king, or else two separate kings. If they were separate kings, Khnum-khuf must have been the most important.

> However, the only effigy of Khufu was found, not
> at Giza, but Abydos.

Uh, huh...

On the lower left is supposedly written his Horus name (serekh), but no carouche.

Here is a statue found in the 4th Dynasty Giza mastaba of Seneb and his wife:


Originally it was thought to belong to the 5th/6th Dynasty but according to Wikipedia/Seneb has since been definitively dated to the reign of Djedefre (Radjedef). The two children depicted in the statute are named Radjedef (Djedefre) on the left and Khufu on the right:


As we can see Khufu is clearly depicted as a female with the customary white skin and female genitalia. To look at the Khufu statue again:


A man or a woman? The statue of Seneb is very curious. To quote myself from HERE:
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Anyhoo, the lines in the circle are obviously not meant to represent the "kh" in "Khufu" and could not be one and the same as a sieve despite appearances. No other pharaoh required this not even KHafre. And also, the Khufu cartouche has many variations of lines and no lines all of which spell the same thing. This is highlighted on Merykhufu's tomb which depicts both empty circle and a 3 line circle. For me, I can only conclude that lines in the RA disk, regardless of how many, mean something different than no lines and a dot or nothing. Considering Khufu is the only pharaoh in the history of Egypt to have his RA disk not only depicted with lines, but depicted with something other than the customary no lines or dot there is obviously something unique about Khufu and the meaning of the lined RA disk.

To paraphrase the rest, the lines of the sieve (RA circle) have been said to represent the placenta which given Khufu is the only pharaoh to have these lines in their RA disk I have raised the possibility this may denote Khufu was in fact a woman of whom as had happened in earlier Dynasties were known to have been co-regents.

Just a thought. So maybe these cartouches refer to a Mr and Mrs Smith....

Regardless, the statuette attributed to Khufu is wearing the crown/headdress of the god Amun, akin to the Red Crown of Upper (southern Egypt) which though Atum dates to most likely the beginnings of Dynastic Egypt and was popular during the OK, this style of crown as far as I can tell was a later convention appearing in the MK/NK:


Regardless of who it represents, or their gender, all things considered I think it is very unlikely, as does Hawass apparently, this statue dates to OK and is more likely to be from later funerary cults possibly as late as the 26th Dynasty.

I would also note from the thread Mastabas of Giza-Reference and Commentary:
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There are dozens and dozens of Khufu cartouches to be found in many of the [Giza] mastabas which in context do not appear to be referring to Khufu the pharaoh. For someone with the time and interest it would be well worth sorting this out as it would seem to speak directly to what the cartouche really meant and who or what it was actually referring to.

I wasn't thinking about it at the time but I do not recall seeing too many "Khnum Khuf" if any though I honestly do not remember. It would be interesting to comb through these and see if there are.

> In maintaining consistency, if Osburn is correct,
> one could expect to find the cartouche of both
> Kafre and Userkare in G2 or its satellite temples.
> Is such the case?

You tell me.

> One could also ask oneself the question, why did
> the quarrymen daub one block with the Khufu
> cartouche, and another with the KK cartouche? It
> would seem likely that, because the destination
> was the same, both cartouches were understood as
> belonging to one entity and were interchangeable.

The naming scheme for pharaohs is complicated, but why would some quarrymen, or folk like Merer as I note, prefer one name over another which again in the case of Merer in the same set of documents?

> What I find interesting is the fact that the Khufu
> character doesn't have a Re inclusion in his name,
> considering the preference for Re to be included
> in his family's names and many generations hence.
> His preference was for Khnum which indicates quite
> a difference in his divination (God/King).

Abydos King's list:


Many do not have the RA inclusion.

> Doesn't explain the fact of both cartouches being
> in G1 though.

Nope.

If anyone knows of any evidence as to why these names are now considered to be one and the same and not co-regents as was accepted by many until at least the early 20th century please provide it.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 06-Jun-16 05:52 by Thanos5150.

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Re: Expert? Specialist? 526 eyeofhorus33 30-Jun-16 06:10
Re: Expert? Specialist? 599 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-16 06:37
Re: Ignore the evidence 567 Thunderbird 30-Jun-16 06:08
Re: Expert? Specialist? 563 Audrey 30-Jun-16 04:09
Re: Expert? Specialist? 591 R Avry Wilson 30-Jun-16 04:34
Re: Expert? Specialist? 562 Audrey 30-Jun-16 05:06
Re: Expert? Specialist? 557 Origyptian 30-Jun-16 15:07
Re: Expert? Specialist? 565 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-16 06:14
Re: Expert? Specialist? 516 Corpuscles 30-Jun-16 23:14
Re: Expert? Specialist? 537 Audrey 30-Jun-16 23:37
Re: Expert? Specialist? 478 Martin Stower 30-Jun-16 23:48
Re: Expert? Specialist? 566 Audrey 01-Jul-16 00:36
Re: Expert? Specialist? 568 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 00:50
Re: Expert? Specialist? 454 Audrey 01-Jul-16 01:09
Re: Expert? Specialist? 578 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 01:55
Re: Expert? Specialist? 492 Audrey 01-Jul-16 01:57
Re: Expert? Specialist? 589 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 01:59
Re: Expert? Specialist? 602 Origyptian 01-Jul-16 04:18
Re: Expert? Specialist? 571 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 14:55
Please, Steven 586 drrayeye 01-Jul-16 00:44
Re: Please, Steven 561 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 01:19
Re: Please, Steven 623 Audrey 01-Jul-16 01:56
Re: Please, Steven 666 Origyptian 01-Jul-16 04:24
Re: Please, Steven 518 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 15:01
Re: Expert? Specialist? 524 Origyptian 26-Jun-16 18:12
Re: Expert? Specialist? 584 Merrell 26-Jun-16 19:18
Re: Expert? Specialist? 531 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 00:03
Re: Expert? Specialist? 541 Merrell 27-Jun-16 07:00
Re: Expert? Specialist? 566 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 13:19
Re: Expert? Specialist? 471 Jon Ellison 27-Jun-16 13:48
Re: Expert? Specialist? 547 Merrell 27-Jun-16 14:56
Re: Expert? Specialist? 528 Jon Ellison 27-Jun-16 15:11
Re: Expert? Specialist? 516 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 15:28
Re: Expert? Specialist? 500 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 15:42
Re: Expert? Specialist? 631 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 17:37
Re: Expert? Specialist? 560 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 17:45
Re: Expert? Specialist? 609 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 21:13
Re: Expert? Specialist? 639 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 22:32
Re: Expert? Specialist? 542 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 00:21
Re: Expert? Specialist? 623 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 15:02
Re: Expert? Specialist? 572 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 15:40
Re: Expert? Specialist? 566 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 15:48
Re: Expert? Specialist? 457 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 15:55
Re: Expert? Specialist? 651 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 16:24
Re: Expert? Specialist? 489 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 18:30
Re: Expert? Specialist? 542 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 21:27
Re: Expert? Specialist? 543 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 01:59
Re: Expert? Specialist? 516 eyeofhorus33 27-Jun-16 17:00
Re: Expert? Specialist? 633 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 18:51
Re: Gatekeeping 491 Thunderbird 27-Jun-16 16:38
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 597 Audrey 26-Jun-16 01:54
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 725 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:24
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 533 Audrey 26-Jun-16 02:42
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 599 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:18
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 604 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 03:27
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 516 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:31
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 618 Audrey 26-Jun-16 03:40
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 517 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:46
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 530 Audrey 26-Jun-16 03:52
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 585 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 04:23
No Moderator Conspiracy 533 loveritas 27-Jun-16 05:55
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 555 Morten 25-Jun-16 23:19
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 529 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:37
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 582 Audrey 25-Jun-16 23:51
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 500 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 00:45
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 621 Audrey 26-Jun-16 01:49
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 662 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:12
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 493 DScribr 30-Jun-16 02:48
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 571 Merrell 25-Jun-16 10:47
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 531 Merrell 26-Jun-16 13:30
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 514 Audrey 24-Jun-16 16:43
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 668 Martin Stower 24-Jun-16 20:08
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 575 Audrey 24-Jun-16 20:33
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 646 Martin Stower 24-Jun-16 20:47
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 683 Merrell 25-Jun-16 10:59
Re: Perring - Lady Arbuthnot chamber 623 Martin Stower 24-Jun-16 11:38
Post o' the week! 562 DScribr 22-Jun-16 21:07
Summertime In England 585 loveritas 21-Jun-16 05:52
Re: Who Was Khufu? 642 DUNE 21-Jun-16 15:14
Re: Who Was Khufu? 522 Jon Ellison 21-Jun-16 15:22
Re: Who Was Khufu? 631 DUNE 21-Jun-16 16:05
Re: Minute Examination 606 Thunderbird 21-Jun-16 18:12
Re: Minute Examination 569 Martin Stower 21-Jun-16 18:48
Gilligan Accepts Michaelangelo Challenge 726 loveritas 22-Jun-16 03:34
Re: Gilligan Accepts Michaelangelo Challenge 586 Martin Stower 22-Jun-16 20:20
Re: Gilligan and Ginger 626 DScribr 23-Jun-16 19:14
Re: Gilligan and Ginger 680 Martin Stower 23-Jun-16 21:37
Re: Gilligan and Ginger 584 DScribr 23-Jun-16 23:00
Court Rocked By Stalker Allegation! 615 loveritas 22-Jun-16 23:20
Re: Court Rocked By Stalker Allegation! 672 Martin Stower 22-Jun-16 23:57
Creighton's Legal Team In Hiding 681 loveritas 23-Jun-16 23:54
it all boils down to this 592 Warwick 25-Jun-16 19:21
How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 598 Corpuscles 25-Jun-16 23:33
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 617 Audrey 26-Jun-16 00:19
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 611 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 01:24
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 541 Audrey 26-Jun-16 02:17
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 600 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:33
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 617 Audrey 26-Jun-16 02:48
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 514 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 02:52
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 566 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:57
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 616 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 02:59
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 470 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:40
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 552 Audrey 26-Jun-16 03:46
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 672 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 04:04
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 592 Audrey 26-Jun-16 04:47
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 625 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 13:49
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 547 Warwick 26-Jun-16 17:32
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 570 Corpuscles 26-Jun-16 07:01
Re: Who Was Khufu? 606 atul.seth 28-Jun-16 12:48
Re: Who Was Khufu? 578 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 15:13
Re: Who Was Khufu? 634 Howard West 28-Jun-16 15:37
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 579 Brian Patterson 28-Jun-16 16:16
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 590 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 18:09
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 532 wonderwall 28-Jun-16 20:52
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 586 Brian Patterson 28-Jun-16 21:22
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 640 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 04:46
Lackeys 651 loveritas 29-Jun-16 07:19
Re: Lackeys 618 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 08:06
Re: Lackeys 571 Corpuscles 29-Jun-16 09:41
Re: Lackeys 584 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 09:45
Re: Lackeys 524 Audrey 29-Jun-16 15:52
Re: Lackeys 583 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:05
Oxymoron Alert 482 Warwick 29-Jun-16 16:36
Re: Oxymoron Alert 547 Audrey 29-Jun-16 16:58
Re: Oxymoron Alert 510 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 17:06
Re: Oxymoron Alert 547 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:28
Re: Oxymoron Alert 623 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 17:36
Re: Oxymoron Alert 478 Audrey 29-Jun-16 18:47
Re: Oxymoron Alert 478 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 18:59
Surely you Jest 530 WonderWho 29-Jun-16 19:59
Re: Surely you Jest 553 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 20:29
Re: Surely you Jest 530 WonderWho 29-Jun-16 20:48
Re: Oxymoron Alert 542 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 17:32
N/T 512 Merrell 01-Jul-16 17:22
Re: Oxymoron Alert 590 Warwick 29-Jun-16 17:15
Re: Oxymoron Alert 599 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 17:24
Say what? 577 Warwick 30-Jun-16 14:27
Re: Say what? 488 Origyptian 30-Jun-16 15:16
Re: Say what? 570 Warwick 01-Jul-16 16:55
Re: Say what? 541 Origyptian 01-Jul-16 17:10
Re: Say what? 569 Warwick 01-Jul-16 17:28
Re: Say what? 621 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-16 15:26
Re: Say what? 557 Warwick 01-Jul-16 16:51
The Lackey Called John Snape 497 loveritas 29-Jun-16 11:14
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 537 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 11:38
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 627 loveritas 29-Jun-16 11:55
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 513 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 12:01
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 518 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 13:16
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 633 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 13:33
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 506 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 13:47
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 619 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 13:58
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 481 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:09
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 621 Audrey 29-Jun-16 16:28
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 537 eyeofhorus33 29-Jun-16 16:54
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 563 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:01
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 532 eyeofhorus33 29-Jun-16 17:10
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 601 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:30
Re: Lackeys 558 Audrey 29-Jun-16 15:59
Re: Lackeys 526 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:08
Re: Lackeys 600 Audrey 29-Jun-16 16:31
Re: Lackeys 476 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:54
Re: Lackeys 486 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:06
Re: Lackeys 559 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 17:37
Re: Lackeys 475 Audrey 29-Jun-16 18:43
Re: Lackeys 570 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 18:46
Re: Lackeys 572 Audrey 29-Jun-16 18:48
Re: Lackeys 585 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 19:19
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 598 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 12:40
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 567 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 13:35
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 482 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 13:38
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 484 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 14:42
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 557 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 15:16
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 593 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:50
'Officially' in the gutter. 600 DScribr 29-Jun-16 20:16
Scotts 'New" Book 626 DScribr 29-Jun-16 03:36
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 570 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 13:27
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 506 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 14:07
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 544 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:44
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 571 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 15:48
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 524 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:57
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 560 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 16:07
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 523 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:14
n/t 553 DScribr 29-Jun-16 19:59
The Need For Proof. 535 DScribr 29-Jun-16 19:56
Re: The Need For Proof. 586 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 20:00
Hypocrisy 607 DScribr 29-Jun-16 20:10
Re: Hypocrisy 521 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 20:19
Re: Hypocrisy 530 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 20:56
Re: Hypocrisy 497 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 21:01
Re: Hypocrisy 544 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 21:14
Re: Hypocrisy 568 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 21:36
Re: Hypocrisy 521 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 22:21
Re: Hypocrisy 533 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:55
Re: Hypocrisy 474 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:53
Re: Hypocrisy denied, but..... 592 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:50
Re: Hypocrisy 549 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:48
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 521 DScribr 29-Jun-16 19:49
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 508 cladking 29-Jun-16 03:48
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 582 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 05:09
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 465 cladking 29-Jun-16 19:12


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