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Hello Loveritas.

loveritas Wrote:
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> No.

So why do we say it as fact then?

> Ossburn is of the opinion that Suphis II (Kafre)
> and Userkare were contemporaneous kings, one
> ruling from Memphis, and the other, from Abydos.

Does anyone but Osburn hold this opinion?

> Suphis and Noh-Suphis were, according to Osburn,
> co-regents, and brothers, each having a different
> cartouche. Vyse, knowingly, or not, discovered
> (giving him the benefit of the doubt) both
> cartouches in the Great Pyramid. Not the Khufu
> cartouche in one location and the KK in another.

According to Petrie I believe writing in 1883 (Pyramid Odyssey, Fix):
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Another name is found on the blocks in the Pyramid, side by side with those bearing the name of Khufu. This other name is the same as that of Khufu, with the prefix of two hieroglyphs, a jug and a ram and it is variously rendered Khnumu-Khufu, Nh-Shufu, and Shu-Shufu. The most destructive theory about this king is that he is identical with Khufu, and that the ram is merely a symbol of the god Shu, and put as the determinative in this place of the first syllable of the name. But against this hypothesis it must be observed (1) that the pronunciation was Khufu, and not Shufu, in the early times; (2) that the first hieroglyph, the jug, is thus unexplained; and (3) that there is no similar prefix of a determinative to a king's name, in any other instance out of the hundreds of names, and thousands of variants, known....

The only great royal inscription (of Khufu) is on the rocks of Sinai. There are two tablets: one with the name and titles of Khufu, the other with the king smiting an enemy, and the name Khnum-khufu The name is found in five places The two names being placed in succession in one inscription cannot be mere chance variants of the same. Either they must be two distinct and independent names of one king, or else two separate kings. If they were separate kings, Khnum-khuf must have been the most important.

> However, the only effigy of Khufu was found, not
> at Giza, but Abydos.

Uh, huh...

On the lower left is supposedly written his Horus name (serekh), but no carouche.

Here is a statue found in the 4th Dynasty Giza mastaba of Seneb and his wife:


Originally it was thought to belong to the 5th/6th Dynasty but according to Wikipedia/Seneb has since been definitively dated to the reign of Djedefre (Radjedef). The two children depicted in the statute are named Radjedef (Djedefre) on the left and Khufu on the right:


As we can see Khufu is clearly depicted as a female with the customary white skin and female genitalia. To look at the Khufu statue again:


A man or a woman? The statue of Seneb is very curious. To quote myself from HERE:
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Anyhoo, the lines in the circle are obviously not meant to represent the "kh" in "Khufu" and could not be one and the same as a sieve despite appearances. No other pharaoh required this not even KHafre. And also, the Khufu cartouche has many variations of lines and no lines all of which spell the same thing. This is highlighted on Merykhufu's tomb which depicts both empty circle and a 3 line circle. For me, I can only conclude that lines in the RA disk, regardless of how many, mean something different than no lines and a dot or nothing. Considering Khufu is the only pharaoh in the history of Egypt to have his RA disk not only depicted with lines, but depicted with something other than the customary no lines or dot there is obviously something unique about Khufu and the meaning of the lined RA disk.

To paraphrase the rest, the lines of the sieve (RA circle) have been said to represent the placenta which given Khufu is the only pharaoh to have these lines in their RA disk I have raised the possibility this may denote Khufu was in fact a woman of whom as had happened in earlier Dynasties were known to have been co-regents.

Just a thought. So maybe these cartouches refer to a Mr and Mrs Smith....

Regardless, the statuette attributed to Khufu is wearing the crown/headdress of the god Amun, akin to the Red Crown of Upper (southern Egypt) which though Atum dates to most likely the beginnings of Dynastic Egypt and was popular during the OK, this style of crown as far as I can tell was a later convention appearing in the MK/NK:


Regardless of who it represents, or their gender, all things considered I think it is very unlikely, as does Hawass apparently, this statue dates to OK and is more likely to be from later funerary cults possibly as late as the 26th Dynasty.

I would also note from the thread Mastabas of Giza-Reference and Commentary:
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There are dozens and dozens of Khufu cartouches to be found in many of the [Giza] mastabas which in context do not appear to be referring to Khufu the pharaoh. For someone with the time and interest it would be well worth sorting this out as it would seem to speak directly to what the cartouche really meant and who or what it was actually referring to.

I wasn't thinking about it at the time but I do not recall seeing too many "Khnum Khuf" if any though I honestly do not remember. It would be interesting to comb through these and see if there are.

> In maintaining consistency, if Osburn is correct,
> one could expect to find the cartouche of both
> Kafre and Userkare in G2 or its satellite temples.
> Is such the case?

You tell me.

> One could also ask oneself the question, why did
> the quarrymen daub one block with the Khufu
> cartouche, and another with the KK cartouche? It
> would seem likely that, because the destination
> was the same, both cartouches were understood as
> belonging to one entity and were interchangeable.

The naming scheme for pharaohs is complicated, but why would some quarrymen, or folk like Merer as I note, prefer one name over another which again in the case of Merer in the same set of documents?

> What I find interesting is the fact that the Khufu
> character doesn't have a Re inclusion in his name,
> considering the preference for Re to be included
> in his family's names and many generations hence.
> His preference was for Khnum which indicates quite
> a difference in his divination (God/King).

Abydos King's list:


Many do not have the RA inclusion.

> Doesn't explain the fact of both cartouches being
> in G1 though.

Nope.

If anyone knows of any evidence as to why these names are now considered to be one and the same and not co-regents as was accepted by many until at least the early 20th century please provide it.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 06-Jun-16 05:52 by Thanos5150.

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Re: Expert? Specialist? 521 R Avry Wilson 30-Jun-16 04:34
Re: Expert? Specialist? 493 Audrey 30-Jun-16 05:06
Re: Expert? Specialist? 483 Origyptian 30-Jun-16 15:07
Re: Expert? Specialist? 498 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-16 06:14
Re: Expert? Specialist? 436 Corpuscles 30-Jun-16 23:14
Re: Expert? Specialist? 452 Audrey 30-Jun-16 23:37
Re: Expert? Specialist? 413 Martin Stower 30-Jun-16 23:48
Re: Expert? Specialist? 484 Audrey 01-Jul-16 00:36
Re: Expert? Specialist? 495 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 00:50
Re: Expert? Specialist? 371 Audrey 01-Jul-16 01:09
Re: Expert? Specialist? 493 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 01:55
Re: Expert? Specialist? 430 Audrey 01-Jul-16 01:57
Re: Expert? Specialist? 518 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 01:59
Re: Expert? Specialist? 513 Origyptian 01-Jul-16 04:18
Re: Expert? Specialist? 477 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 14:55
Please, Steven 511 drrayeye 01-Jul-16 00:44
Re: Please, Steven 484 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 01:19
Re: Please, Steven 547 Audrey 01-Jul-16 01:56
Re: Please, Steven 556 Origyptian 01-Jul-16 04:24
Re: Please, Steven 439 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 15:01
Re: Expert? Specialist? 440 Origyptian 26-Jun-16 18:12
Re: Expert? Specialist? 498 Merrell 26-Jun-16 19:18
Re: Expert? Specialist? 459 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 00:03
Re: Expert? Specialist? 423 Merrell 27-Jun-16 07:00
Re: Expert? Specialist? 503 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 13:19
Re: Expert? Specialist? 395 Jon Ellison 27-Jun-16 13:48
Re: Expert? Specialist? 475 Merrell 27-Jun-16 14:56
Re: Expert? Specialist? 464 Jon Ellison 27-Jun-16 15:11
Re: Expert? Specialist? 443 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 15:28
Re: Expert? Specialist? 426 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 15:42
Re: Expert? Specialist? 564 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 17:37
Re: Expert? Specialist? 493 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 17:45
Re: Expert? Specialist? 543 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 21:13
Re: Expert? Specialist? 570 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 22:32
Re: Expert? Specialist? 479 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 00:21
Re: Expert? Specialist? 530 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 15:02
Re: Expert? Specialist? 505 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 15:40
Re: Expert? Specialist? 500 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 15:48
Re: Expert? Specialist? 389 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 15:55
Re: Expert? Specialist? 576 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 16:24
Re: Expert? Specialist? 409 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 18:30
Re: Expert? Specialist? 472 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 21:27
Re: Expert? Specialist? 475 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 01:59
Re: Expert? Specialist? 453 eyeofhorus33 27-Jun-16 17:00
Re: Expert? Specialist? 519 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 18:51
Re: Gatekeeping 424 Thunderbird 27-Jun-16 16:38
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 524 Audrey 26-Jun-16 01:54
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 614 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:24
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 458 Audrey 26-Jun-16 02:42
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 531 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:18
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 528 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 03:27
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 435 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:31
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 536 Audrey 26-Jun-16 03:40
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 434 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:46
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 466 Audrey 26-Jun-16 03:52
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 476 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 04:23
No Moderator Conspiracy 461 loveritas 27-Jun-16 05:55
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 470 Morten 25-Jun-16 23:19
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 446 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:37
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 507 Audrey 25-Jun-16 23:51
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 429 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 00:45
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 543 Audrey 26-Jun-16 01:49
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 588 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:12
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 426 DScribr 30-Jun-16 02:48
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 497 Merrell 25-Jun-16 10:47
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 455 Merrell 26-Jun-16 13:30
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 450 Audrey 24-Jun-16 16:43
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 589 Martin Stower 24-Jun-16 20:08
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 498 Audrey 24-Jun-16 20:33
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 568 Martin Stower 24-Jun-16 20:47
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 594 Merrell 25-Jun-16 10:59
Re: Perring - Lady Arbuthnot chamber 550 Martin Stower 24-Jun-16 11:38
Post o' the week! 496 DScribr 22-Jun-16 21:07
Summertime In England 501 loveritas 21-Jun-16 05:52
Re: Who Was Khufu? 557 DUNE 21-Jun-16 15:14
Re: Who Was Khufu? 457 Jon Ellison 21-Jun-16 15:22
Re: Who Was Khufu? 563 DUNE 21-Jun-16 16:05
Re: Minute Examination 544 Thunderbird 21-Jun-16 18:12
Re: Minute Examination 506 Martin Stower 21-Jun-16 18:48
Gilligan Accepts Michaelangelo Challenge 664 loveritas 22-Jun-16 03:34
Re: Gilligan Accepts Michaelangelo Challenge 520 Martin Stower 22-Jun-16 20:20
Re: Gilligan and Ginger 558 DScribr 23-Jun-16 19:14
Re: Gilligan and Ginger 604 Martin Stower 23-Jun-16 21:37
Re: Gilligan and Ginger 516 DScribr 23-Jun-16 23:00
Court Rocked By Stalker Allegation! 539 loveritas 22-Jun-16 23:20
Re: Court Rocked By Stalker Allegation! 596 Martin Stower 22-Jun-16 23:57
Creighton's Legal Team In Hiding 592 loveritas 23-Jun-16 23:54
it all boils down to this 520 Warwick 25-Jun-16 19:21
How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 534 Corpuscles 25-Jun-16 23:33
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 548 Audrey 26-Jun-16 00:19
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 545 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 01:24
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 470 Audrey 26-Jun-16 02:17
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 530 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:33
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 543 Audrey 26-Jun-16 02:48
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 445 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 02:52
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 481 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:57
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 522 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 02:59
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 410 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:40
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 456 Audrey 26-Jun-16 03:46
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 583 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 04:04
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 524 Audrey 26-Jun-16 04:47
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 550 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 13:49
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 464 Warwick 26-Jun-16 17:32
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 498 Corpuscles 26-Jun-16 07:01
Re: Who Was Khufu? 542 atul.seth 28-Jun-16 12:48
Re: Who Was Khufu? 500 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 15:13
Re: Who Was Khufu? 567 Howard West 28-Jun-16 15:37
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 507 Brian Patterson 28-Jun-16 16:16
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 515 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 18:09
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 458 wonderwall 28-Jun-16 20:52
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 500 Brian Patterson 28-Jun-16 21:22
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 554 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 04:46
Lackeys 572 loveritas 29-Jun-16 07:19
Re: Lackeys 540 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 08:06
Re: Lackeys 477 Corpuscles 29-Jun-16 09:41
Re: Lackeys 510 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 09:45
Re: Lackeys 459 Audrey 29-Jun-16 15:52
Re: Lackeys 514 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:05
Oxymoron Alert 398 Warwick 29-Jun-16 16:36
Re: Oxymoron Alert 455 Audrey 29-Jun-16 16:58
Re: Oxymoron Alert 444 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 17:06
Re: Oxymoron Alert 477 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:28
Re: Oxymoron Alert 523 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 17:36
Re: Oxymoron Alert 403 Audrey 29-Jun-16 18:47
Re: Oxymoron Alert 408 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 18:59
Surely you Jest 442 WonderWho 29-Jun-16 19:59
Re: Surely you Jest 490 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 20:29
Re: Surely you Jest 453 WonderWho 29-Jun-16 20:48
Re: Oxymoron Alert 463 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 17:32
N/T 428 Merrell 01-Jul-16 17:22
Re: Oxymoron Alert 512 Warwick 29-Jun-16 17:15
Re: Oxymoron Alert 528 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 17:24
Say what? 489 Warwick 30-Jun-16 14:27
Re: Say what? 409 Origyptian 30-Jun-16 15:16
Re: Say what? 474 Warwick 01-Jul-16 16:55
Re: Say what? 484 Origyptian 01-Jul-16 17:10
Re: Say what? 490 Warwick 01-Jul-16 17:28
Re: Say what? 536 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-16 15:26
Re: Say what? 471 Warwick 01-Jul-16 16:51
The Lackey Called John Snape 428 loveritas 29-Jun-16 11:14
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 468 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 11:38
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 540 loveritas 29-Jun-16 11:55
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 447 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 12:01
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 458 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 13:16
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 554 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 13:33
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 431 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 13:47
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 515 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 13:58
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 408 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:09
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 545 Audrey 29-Jun-16 16:28
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 457 eyeofhorus33 29-Jun-16 16:54
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 495 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:01
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 463 eyeofhorus33 29-Jun-16 17:10
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 509 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:30
Re: Lackeys 469 Audrey 29-Jun-16 15:59
Re: Lackeys 448 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:08
Re: Lackeys 523 Audrey 29-Jun-16 16:31
Re: Lackeys 409 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:54
Re: Lackeys 423 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:06
Re: Lackeys 475 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 17:37
Re: Lackeys 408 Audrey 29-Jun-16 18:43
Re: Lackeys 497 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 18:46
Re: Lackeys 506 Audrey 29-Jun-16 18:48
Re: Lackeys 496 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 19:19
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 521 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 12:40
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 485 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 13:35
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 405 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 13:38
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 420 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 14:42
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 479 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 15:16
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 509 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:50
'Officially' in the gutter. 505 DScribr 29-Jun-16 20:16
Scotts 'New" Book 530 DScribr 29-Jun-16 03:36
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 493 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 13:27
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 446 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 14:07
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 465 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:44
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 498 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 15:48
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 441 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:57
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 484 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 16:07
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 457 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:14
n/t 484 DScribr 29-Jun-16 19:59
The Need For Proof. 470 DScribr 29-Jun-16 19:56
Re: The Need For Proof. 498 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 20:00
Hypocrisy 528 DScribr 29-Jun-16 20:10
Re: Hypocrisy 452 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 20:19
Re: Hypocrisy 465 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 20:56
Re: Hypocrisy 427 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 21:01
Re: Hypocrisy 478 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 21:14
Re: Hypocrisy 499 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 21:36
Re: Hypocrisy 449 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 22:21
Re: Hypocrisy 465 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:55
Re: Hypocrisy 403 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:53
Re: Hypocrisy denied, but..... 516 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:50
Re: Hypocrisy 485 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:48
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 449 DScribr 29-Jun-16 19:49
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 440 cladking 29-Jun-16 03:48
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 499 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 05:09
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 405 cladking 29-Jun-16 19:12


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