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Origyptian Wrote:
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> Warwick Wrote:
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> -----
> >
> > Egyptology's consensus opinions, Wilkinson's
> > opinions and mine do not exist in a vacuum.
>
> I don't think anyone here has contended otherwise.
> The problem isn't how many people believe and
> write the same thing. The problem is whether what
> they believe and write is actually true. As
> has been said before, "Practice makes
> permanent, it does not make
> perfect".
>
> There are so many beliefs in Egyptology that
> simply have not been proven to be true, and yet
> virtually everyone continues to present them as
> facts. Pointing out an incident involving
> Wilkinson, or Reisner, or whomever is simply to
> exemplify the phenomenon.
>
>
>
> > Wilkinson's "Early Dynastic Egypt" is the best
> > example of this. Each and every 'opinion'
> offered
> > is supported by 23 pages (in the soft cover) of
> > bibliography that insurmountably support all
> said
> > opinions.
>
> Again, the problem is that opinions are presented
> as facts that seem to be supported merely by
> others' opinions and not always by definitive
> evidence. How can the reader be sure that the
> author is citing physical evidence when it is so
> common to find opinion or traditional belief
> masquerading as proven fact?
>
>
> > It's existence has precluded my needing
> > to suggest a reading list to those who wish to
> > learn of this era and the Old Kingdom.
>
> I didn't follow your logic there. How does the
> existence of a lengthy bibliography imbue a
> factual basis into an author's statement? Many if
> not all luminary Egyptologists have written that
> Hetepheres was the wife of Sneferu and the mother
> of Khufu (e.g., Lehner, Romer, Edwards), but the
> source of that information invariably points to
> Reisner's initial reporting of G7000x which was
> great data reporting but not so great regarding
> the conclusions that were drawn from that data.
>
>
>
> > Lehner's Complete Pyramids is at the very least
> an
> > excellent source of things...
>
> The "things" I find excellent from Lehner is his
> reporting of the physical evidence. But I find
> many of his conclusions to be "possiblity", but
> not "conclusive", and I often disagree with his
> conclusions mainly because of how he gravitates to
> the mainstream position regarding the funerary
> context and the traditional timeline, neither
> fundamental tenet having been proven as fact up to
> this point. So any conclusions that depend on
> those assumptions remain tenuous.
>
>
>
> > In fact all the best known Pyramid Authors on
> > everyside of the debates offers up the known
> > opposition to their own ideas within their
> works
> > Edwards...Lehner...Stadelmann...
>
> Can you cite a traditionalist author who openly
> acknowledge that any fundamental tenets of
> Egyptology, such as the funerary context, huge
> construction ramps, and the traditional timeline,
> are only possibilities and not conclusive?
>
>
>
> > Someone should set up an experiment whereby
> > someone arranges stonework exactly as we find
> > above the KC, and then tries to reproduce the
> Glyphs.
>
> Why do you suppose that hasn't been done yet?


My reference to bibliography was not an implication that it's existence qualified the conclusions drawn by the author. The point was that if one wishes to appreciate or dispute any of those conclusions one is obligated to apprise one's self of that which led to them.

Primary sources...not conclusions.

It's gotten easier. for example: A vast slice of what was available used to be readable only in German...the internet has dealt with that obstacle. TTBOMK German is no longer a prerequisite for studies in Egyptology as it used to be.

I've only become close to being as well read as I would like to be in my later years.

But I like to think that the probabilities I espouse are based on an understanding, and not on having merely learned by rote.

I hope that's a better explanation of the value of the bibliography

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Creighton Persists Part 2 4039 JonnyMcA 19-May-16 14:30
That chemical analysis . . . 642 Martin Stower 19-May-16 17:30
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 571 Origyptian 19-May-16 20:50
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 546 Jon Ellison 19-May-16 21:31
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 516 Martin Stower 19-May-16 22:01
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 509 Martin Stower 19-May-16 21:42
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 491 Origyptian 19-May-16 22:12
The unfounded accusations continue..... 595 DScribr 19-May-16 22:46
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 577 Martin Stower 20-May-16 00:14
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 500 Thanos5150 20-May-16 00:35
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 386 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 01:57
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 516 Origyptian 20-May-16 02:47
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 396 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 03:20
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 473 Martin Stower 20-May-16 19:10
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 467 DScribr 20-May-16 23:23
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 496 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 23:35
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 476 DScribr 20-May-16 23:40
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 431 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:07
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 348 DScribr 20-May-16 02:58
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 503 Martin Stower 19-May-16 22:55
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 503 DScribr 19-May-16 22:43
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 486 Martin Stower 19-May-16 23:30
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 550 Origyptian 20-May-16 02:48
The lack of analysis . . . 577 DScribr 20-May-16 03:05
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 536 Audrey 20-May-16 04:13
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 456 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 06:58
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 490 DScribr 20-May-16 23:42
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 625 Origyptian 20-May-16 15:46
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 451 Martin Stower 21-May-16 01:28
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 446 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:32
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 491 Martin Stower 21-May-16 02:07
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 471 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 06:43
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 495 Origyptian 21-May-16 14:58
So much for chemical analysis . . . 465 DScribr 21-May-16 19:54
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 475 Martin Stower 21-May-16 22:49
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 467 Martin Stower 21-May-16 23:00
Re: What's the end game with this? 575 Thunderbird 20-May-16 17:20
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 468 Martin Stower 20-May-16 19:04
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 454 Audrey 20-May-16 22:43
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 422 Martin Stower 20-May-16 22:54
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 461 Audrey 20-May-16 23:12
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 395 Martin Stower 20-May-16 23:52
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 472 Audrey 21-May-16 00:33
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 542 Martin Stower 21-May-16 00:45
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 397 DScribr 21-May-16 01:35
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 348 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:06
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 426 Martin Stower 21-May-16 01:33
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 503 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:36
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 598 Martin Stower 21-May-16 02:49
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 529 Martin Stower 20-May-16 18:28
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 543 Origyptian 20-May-16 20:00
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 444 Thanos5150 20-May-16 20:13
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 463 Origyptian 20-May-16 21:03
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 488 Martin Stower 20-May-16 23:44
Höfer and Görlitz meet Stein 419 Martin Stower 21-May-16 00:36
Re: Höfer and Görlitz meet Stein 400 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:23
Re: Höfer and Görlitz meet Stein 596 Martin Stower 21-May-16 01:55
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 457 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:34
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 483 Martin Stower 21-May-16 03:15
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 412 Origyptian 21-May-16 04:08
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 483 Martin Stower 21-May-16 23:33
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 552 Origyptian 22-May-16 00:09
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 429 Martin Stower 22-May-16 00:49
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 521 Origyptian 22-May-16 00:57
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 492 Origyptian 22-May-16 01:11
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 484 Jon Ellison 22-May-16 01:14
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 486 Martin Stower 22-May-16 01:51
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 463 Origyptian 22-May-16 04:21
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 508 Martin Stower 22-May-16 14:20
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 472 Origyptian 22-May-16 17:32
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 493 Martin Stower 22-May-16 18:33
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 442 Origyptian 22-May-16 20:34
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 407 Martin Stower 22-May-16 21:30
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 499 Origyptian 22-May-16 23:04
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 517 Martin Stower 23-May-16 00:03
Re: That chemical analysis is all but forgotten...... 469 DScribr 23-May-16 03:11
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 503 Richard Fusniak 21-May-16 08:47
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 474 Origyptian 21-May-16 13:26
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 438 Martin Stower 22-May-16 00:32
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 466 Origyptian 22-May-16 00:50
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 498 Martin Stower 22-May-16 01:39
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 398 Origyptian 22-May-16 04:45
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 408 Martin Stower 22-May-16 16:13
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 402 Martin Stower 21-May-16 22:44
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 590 Origyptian 21-May-16 23:58
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 441 Martin Stower 22-May-16 01:28
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 685 Martin Stower 20-May-16 22:44
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 440 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:41
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 521 Martin Stower 21-May-16 03:28
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 548 Origyptian 21-May-16 04:14
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 365 Martin Stower 21-May-16 23:11
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 508 Thanos5150 19-May-16 22:50
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 489 Martin Stower 19-May-16 23:18
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 405 DScribr 20-May-16 03:07
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 487 Origyptian 20-May-16 02:52
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 431 DScribr 20-May-16 03:12
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 508 Thanos5150 20-May-16 05:20
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 401 Origyptian 20-May-16 13:36
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 511 Thanos5150 20-May-16 17:57
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 513 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 18:56
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 487 Martin Stower 20-May-16 19:23
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 550 Thanos5150 20-May-16 19:27
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 430 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 19:29
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 462 Audrey 20-May-16 21:02
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 473 Origyptian 20-May-16 21:12
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 466 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 21:26
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 524 Thanos5150 20-May-16 22:08
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 506 Audrey 20-May-16 22:34
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 419 Thanos5150 20-May-16 22:36
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 484 Audrey 20-May-16 22:47
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 405 Thanos5150 20-May-16 23:00
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 425 Audrey 20-May-16 23:11
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 408 Thanos5150 21-May-16 00:01
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 419 Audrey 21-May-16 00:23
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 471 Thanos5150 21-May-16 03:14
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 466 Audrey 21-May-16 05:02
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 402 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 09:10
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 546 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 09:28
The chemical analysis is of little help without R-C Dating 503 DScribr 21-May-16 13:37
Re: The chemical analysis is of little help without R-C Dating 418 Origyptian 21-May-16 13:56
Re: The chemical analysis is of little help without R-C Dating 465 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 17:48
Willful ignorance continues....... 491 DScribr 21-May-16 19:49
Re: Willful ignorance continues....... 519 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 21:28
Re: Stealing IS a crime! Willful ignorance continues....... 426 DScribr 22-May-16 00:39
Re: The chemical analysis is of little help without R-C Dating 500 Richard Fusniak 21-May-16 18:17
Re: The chemical analysis is of little help without R-C Dating 387 DScribr 21-May-16 19:57
Re: The chemical analysis is of little help without R-C Dating 515 Richard Fusniak 21-May-16 20:24
Stealing IS A Crime!!! 497 DScribr 22-May-16 00:32
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 495 Origyptian 21-May-16 15:04
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 403 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 17:53
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 473 Origyptian 21-May-16 21:39
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 458 Jon Ellison 22-May-16 00:46
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 418 Martin Stower 21-May-16 00:09
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 497 Audrey 21-May-16 00:26
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 504 Martin Stower 21-May-16 00:42
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 456 Audrey 21-May-16 01:04
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 523 Martin Stower 21-May-16 01:41
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 488 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 11:00
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 450 DScribr 21-May-16 01:44
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 459 Origyptian 20-May-16 19:25
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 469 Thanos5150 20-May-16 19:31
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 422 Origyptian 20-May-16 20:35
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 489 Thanos5150 20-May-16 22:03
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 412 Origyptian 20-May-16 22:38
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 496 Thanos5150 20-May-16 22:52
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 429 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:31
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 493 Martin Stower 21-May-16 01:05
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 434 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:27
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 453 Martin Stower 21-May-16 03:31
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 432 Audrey 21-May-16 01:42
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 506 Martin Stower 21-May-16 03:34
Pending statement from Dr. Gorlitz 732 Richard Fusniak 20-May-16 12:04
Re: Pending statement from Dr. Gorlitz 522 Martin Stower 20-May-16 19:25
Martin Persists 568 drrayeye 23-May-16 01:30
Re: Martin Persists 536 Martin Stower 23-May-16 12:01
Re: Martin Persists 412 R Avry Wilson 24-May-16 19:58
Mainstream Persists 446 DScribr 25-May-16 00:56
Re: Martin Persists 621 Merrell 28-May-16 09:00
Re: Martin Persists 442 Martin Stower 28-May-16 11:11
as long as we are counting 547 Warwick 25-May-16 16:42
Re: as long as we are counting 508 DScribr 26-May-16 01:53
Re: as long as we are counting 556 cladking 26-May-16 16:57
Re: as long as we are counting 463 Martin Stower 26-May-16 17:31
Re: as long as we are counting 475 Origyptian 26-May-16 17:40
Re: as long as we are counting 399 cladking 27-May-16 00:21
Re: as long as we are counting 482 Warwick 27-May-16 01:27
Re: as long as we are counting 312 Origyptian 27-May-16 02:53
And work hard at obfuscation. 376 DScribr 27-May-16 00:57
Re: And work hard at obfuscation. 438 cladking 27-May-16 02:55
Re: as long as we are counting 407 Warwick 27-May-16 01:29
Re: as long as we are counting 511 cladking 27-May-16 02:59
Re: as long as we are counting 486 Warwick 27-May-16 03:35
Re: as long as we are counting 476 Audrey 27-May-16 04:32
Re: as long as we are counting 431 Warwick 27-May-16 05:34
Re: as long as we are counting 521 cladking 27-May-16 13:35
Re: as long as we are counting 478 Warwick 27-May-16 14:56
The original page on Indiegogo etc. 569 Martin Stower 25-May-16 22:10
Another performance . . . 462 Martin Stower 26-May-16 13:47
Re: Another performance . . . 411 Warwick 26-May-16 13:57
Re: Another performance . . . 361 Origyptian 26-May-16 14:53
Re: Another performance . . . 449 Martin Stower 26-May-16 16:09
Re: Another performance . . . 465 cladking 26-May-16 16:18
Re: Another performance . . . 368 Martin Stower 26-May-16 16:31
Re: Another performance . . . 630 cladking 26-May-16 17:54
Re: Another performance . . . 484 Martin Stower 26-May-16 18:29
Re: Another performance . . . 350 cladking 26-May-16 23:52
Re: Another performance . . . 485 eyeofhorus33 26-May-16 19:00
Re: Another performance . . . 391 cladking 27-May-16 00:05
Re: Another performance . . . 417 Audrey 27-May-16 00:23
Re: Another performance . . . 405 Warwick 27-May-16 01:42
Re: Another performance . . . 486 cladking 27-May-16 02:07
Re: Another performance . . . 427 Warwick 27-May-16 02:15
Re: Another performance . . . 465 cladking 27-May-16 02:48
Re: Another performance . . . 446 Warwick 27-May-16 03:48
Re: Another performance . . . 471 cladking 27-May-16 03:53
Re: Another performance . . . 532 Warwick 27-May-16 05:41
Re: Another performance . . . 423 Audrey 27-May-16 04:51
Re: Another performance . . . 437 Warwick 27-May-16 05:18
NOT Primitive, Low-Tech 424 DScribr 28-May-16 14:09
Re: NOT Primitive, Low-Tech 469 cladking 28-May-16 14:31
Re: Another performance . . . 501 Thanos5150 26-May-16 16:38
Re: Another performance . . . 387 cladking 26-May-16 16:44
Re: Another performance . . . 490 Origyptian 26-May-16 17:33
Re: Another performance . . . 497 cladking 26-May-16 17:40
Re: Another performance . . . 497 Martin Stower 26-May-16 17:49
Re: Another performance . . . 498 cladking 27-May-16 00:15
Re: Another performance . . . 491 Martin Stower 27-May-16 19:17
Re: Another performance . . . 505 Warwick 27-May-16 20:00
Re: Another performance . . . 443 cladking 27-May-16 20:21
Re: Another performance . . . 545 Martin Stower 27-May-16 23:06
Re: Oops....we missed the Basalt flooring and machine disc cuts 354 Thunderbird 27-May-16 23:28
Re: Oops....we missed the Basalt flooring and machine disc cuts 465 Martin Stower 27-May-16 23:41
Re: Another performance . . . 487 cladking 28-May-16 00:33
Re: Another performance . . . 474 Martin Stower 28-May-16 00:59
Re: Another performance . . . 466 cladking 28-May-16 02:36
Re: Another performance . . . 450 Martin Stower 28-May-16 23:55
Re: Another performance . . . 394 cladking 29-May-16 01:23
Re: Another performance . . . 430 Martin Stower 29-May-16 19:35
Re: Another performance . . . 574 cladking 29-May-16 20:43
Re: Another performance . . . 485 R Avry Wilson 28-May-16 02:39
Re: Another performance . . . 507 cladking 28-May-16 03:41
Re: Another performance . . . 452 Thanos5150 28-May-16 06:20
Re: Another performance . . . 529 cladking 28-May-16 13:40
Re: Another performance . . . 476 Origyptian 28-May-16 15:04
Re: Another performance . . . 477 Jon Ellison 28-May-16 16:38
Re: Another performance . . . 339 cladking 28-May-16 17:52
Re: Another performance . . . 437 Jon Ellison 28-May-16 17:58
Re: Another performance . . . 364 Origyptian 29-May-16 02:51
Re: Another performance . . . 386 cladking 29-May-16 03:08
Re: Another performance . . . 448 Origyptian 29-May-16 04:03
Re: Another performance . . . 462 Thanos5150 29-May-16 05:03
Re: Another performance . . . 494 Origyptian 29-May-16 13:18
Re: Another performance . . . 510 Thanos5150 29-May-16 15:03
Focus on the axiom 458 Origyptian 29-May-16 15:27
Re: Focus on everything BUT the facts 505 DScribr 29-May-16 15:41
Re: Focus on everything BUT the facts 410 cladking 29-May-16 17:29
Re: Focus on the axiom 396 Thanos5150 30-May-16 01:49
Re: Focus on the axiom 451 Origyptian 30-May-16 05:32
Re: Focus on the axiom 446 Thanos5150 31-May-16 02:35
Re: Focus on the axiom 478 Origyptian 31-May-16 06:41
Re: Focus on the axiom 479 Thanos5150 01-Jun-16 00:28
Re: Focus on reality. 436 DScribr 01-Jun-16 00:51
Re: Focus on the axiom 426 Origyptian 01-Jun-16 06:20
Re: Focus on the axiom 471 Thanos5150 02-Jun-16 03:08
Re: Focus on the axiom 446 cladking 02-Jun-16 04:00
Re: Focus on the axiom 398 Origyptian 02-Jun-16 04:25
Re: Focus on the axiom 400 Thanos5150 02-Jun-16 16:34
Re: Focus on the axiom 407 cladking 02-Jun-16 18:20
Re: Focus on the axiom 451 Origyptian 03-Jun-16 18:04
Re: Focus on the axiom 440 R Avry Wilson 03-Jun-16 18:43
Re: Focus on the axiom 417 Origyptian 03-Jun-16 21:24
Re: Focus on the axiom 439 Corpuscles 03-Jun-16 23:59
Re: Focus on the axiom 302 Origyptian 04-Jun-16 06:29
Re: Focus on the axiom 364 R Avry Wilson 04-Jun-16 00:12
Re: Focus on the axiom 358 Origyptian 04-Jun-16 07:02
Re: Focus on the axiom 487 Jon Ellison 04-Jun-16 10:18
Re: Focus on the axiom 424 R Avry Wilson 05-Jun-16 04:15
Re: Focus on the axiom 416 Martin Stower 03-Jun-16 22:28
Re: Focus on the axiom 433 cladking 03-Jun-16 22:51
Re: Focus on the axiom 551 Thanos5150 04-Jun-16 01:08
Re: Focus on the axiom 438 Origyptian 05-Jun-16 01:25
Re: Focus on the axiom 487 Thanos5150 05-Jun-16 04:15
Re: Focus on the axiom 430 Origyptian 05-Jun-16 17:29
Re: Focus on the axiom 478 Martin Stower 05-Jun-16 19:35
Re: Focus on the axiom 489 Origyptian 05-Jun-16 22:48
Re: Focus on the axiom 412 Martin Stower 05-Jun-16 23:47
Re: Focus on the axiom 439 Origyptian 06-Jun-16 00:54
Re: Focus on the axiom 400 Origyptian 06-Jun-16 01:01
Re: Focus on the axiom 446 Thanos5150 06-Jun-16 01:05
Re: Focus on the axiom 421 Origyptian 06-Jun-16 02:40
Re: Focus on the axiom 445 R Avry Wilson 06-Jun-16 03:39
Re: Focus on the axiom 365 Audrey 06-Jun-16 04:59
Re: Focus on the axiom 381 Jon Ellison 06-Jun-16 07:59
Re: Focus on the axiom 383 Origyptian 06-Jun-16 14:00
Re: Focus on the axiom 448 cladking 06-Jun-16 16:13
Re: Focus on the axiom 401 Corpuscles 07-Jun-16 00:20
Re: Focus on the axiom 447 Origyptian 07-Jun-16 02:55
Re: Focus on the axiom 377 Thanos5150 06-Jun-16 15:33
Re: Focus on the axiom 326 Warwick 06-Jun-16 16:17
Re: Focus on the axiom 457 Audrey 06-Jun-16 16:39
Re: Focus on the axiom 450 Warwick 06-Jun-16 16:58
Re: Focus on the axiom 356 Audrey 06-Jun-16 17:46
Re: Focus on the axiom 396 Warwick 06-Jun-16 18:13
Re: Focus on the axiom 344 Audrey 06-Jun-16 23:44
Read what I wrote 342 Warwick 07-Jun-16 17:15
Re: Read what I wrote 378 Audrey 08-Jun-16 00:22
Re: Read what I wrote 370 Martin Stower 08-Jun-16 01:40
Re: Read what I wrote 536 Audrey 08-Jun-16 01:52
Re: Read what I wrote 396 Martin Stower 08-Jun-16 13:47
Vyse's veracity.... 397 Warwick 09-Jun-16 16:29
Re: Vyse's veracity.... 323 Audrey 09-Jun-16 16:51
Re: Vyse's veracity.... 417 Warwick 09-Jun-16 17:19
Re: Vyse's veracity.... 453 Audrey 09-Jun-16 17:45
Wilkinson's opinions 380 Warwick 09-Jun-16 18:47
Re: Wilkinson's opinions 387 Origyptian 09-Jun-16 20:57
Ori's opinions 529 DScribr 10-Jun-16 01:45
Re: The incredible Teflon Red Ochre 378 Thunderbird 10-Jun-16 04:07
Re: The incredible Teflon Red Ochre 495 Martin Stower 10-Jun-16 14:49
Re: The incredible Red Ochre lasted 4500 yrs. 418 DScribr 11-Jun-16 00:40
Re: Wilkinson's opinions 335 Martin Stower 10-Jun-16 02:28
Re: Wilkinson's opinions 337 Audrey 10-Jun-16 03:05
Re: Wilkinson's opinions 454 Martin Stower 10-Jun-16 14:09
Bibliography 390 Warwick 10-Jun-16 18:07
Re: Bibliography 404 Origyptian 10-Jun-16 18:35
Re: Bibliography 401 Warwick 10-Jun-16 20:01
Re: Bibliography 452 Origyptian 10-Jun-16 21:54
Re: Bibliography 468 Corpuscles 10-Jun-16 23:45
Re: Bibliography 292 Origyptian 11-Jun-16 17:01
Re: Bibliography 414 Corpuscles 11-Jun-16 22:36
Re: Bibliography 380 Audrey 11-Jun-16 23:08
Re: Bibliography 391 Corpuscles 11-Jun-16 23:26
Re: Bibliography 308 Audrey 12-Jun-16 02:30
Re: Bibliography 363 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 03:19
Re: Bibliography 305 Audrey 12-Jun-16 03:32
Re: Bibliography 338 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 03:40
Re: Bibliography 338 Audrey 12-Jun-16 03:50
Re: Bibliography 322 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 04:30
Re: Bibliography 302 Audrey 12-Jun-16 04:47
Re: Bibliography 295 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 05:02
Re: Bibliography 427 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 10:49
Re: Bibliography 388 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 15:56
Re: Bibliography 315 R Avry Wilson 12-Jun-16 17:41
But Avry.. 358 Warwick 12-Jun-16 17:58
Re: But Avry.. 429 R Avry Wilson 12-Jun-16 18:14
Re: But Avry.. 385 Audrey 12-Jun-16 18:37
Re: But Avry.. 401 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 20:15
Re: But Avry.. 408 Audrey 12-Jun-16 18:44
Re: But Avry.. 373 Warwick 12-Jun-16 18:59
Re: But Avry.. 368 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 20:11
This whole discussion is a boondoggle 424 DScribr 13-Jun-16 01:04
Re: This whole discussion is a boondoggle 405 Warwick 13-Jun-16 16:24
Re: Bibliography 287 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 10:28
Re: Bibliography 370 Origyptian 11-Jun-16 23:35
Re: Bibliography 406 Corpuscles 11-Jun-16 23:58
Re: Bibliography 379 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 00:48
Re: Bibliography 417 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 01:13
Re: Bibliography 446 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 01:33
Re: Bibliography 439 Martin Stower 11-Jun-16 02:05
Re: Bibliography 434 Origyptian 11-Jun-16 18:09
Re: Bibliography 420 Martin Stower 11-Jun-16 19:22
Re: Bibliography 366 Origyptian 11-Jun-16 19:56
Re: Bibliography 294 Martin Stower 11-Jun-16 20:47
Re: Bibliography 403 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 00:03
Re: Bibliography 400 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 00:22
Re: Bibliography 296 Audrey 12-Jun-16 01:58
Re: Bibliography 422 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 02:24
Re: Bibliography 346 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 12:23
Re: Bibliography 362 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 14:50
Re: Bibliography 365 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 16:46
Re: Bibliography 286 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 00:10
Re: Bibliography 403 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 00:18
Re: Bibliography 388 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 00:35
Re: Bibliography 426 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 00:39
Re: Bibliography 351 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 01:23
Re: Bibliography 352 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 02:18
Re: Bibliography 303 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 13:55
Re: Bibliography 360 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 15:45
Re: Bibliography 396 R Avry Wilson 12-Jun-16 17:32
Re: Bibliography 332 Warwick 12-Jun-16 17:41
Re: Bibliography 397 R Avry Wilson 12-Jun-16 18:08
Re: Bibliography 378 Audrey 12-Jun-16 18:48
Re: Bibliography 386 Audrey 12-Jun-16 18:35
Re: Bibliography 337 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 19:09
Gonna ignore the noise and try again 377 Warwick 12-Jun-16 19:53
Re: Gonna ignore the noise and try again 390 Thunderbird 12-Jun-16 20:18
Re: Gonna ignore the noise and try again 357 Audrey 12-Jun-16 21:04
Re: Gonna ignore the noise and try again 413 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 20:59