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Jon Ellison Wrote:
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> Ori is stating that the story was fabricated.
> He has given his reasons for the use of the word "fabricated".
> Fabricated then by the higher standards of today
> and for whatever reason.
> The bar is constantly being raised and Egyptology
> must respond accordingly.
> As do all progressive disciplines.
> Yesterday's truth is not necessarily today's truth.
> It is not about the history of Egyptology, It's
> about the history of humanity.

Obviously, I wholeheartedly agree with Audrey and Jon (and no, we have not conspired or even consulted each other on our perspectives of Reisner, the cartouche, Vyse, or Creighton.

Avry's fascinating perspective is the poster child of how many of the major tenets of Egyptology got into the mess they're in today. Such a flippant attitude that hand waves the obsolete practices of the past (some of them still embraced in the present) is a clear demonstration of the inertia to update standards in the field.

To address some of Avry's concerns:
    "Fabrication, made it up, who cares"
    Apparently, Thanos, Stower, and Avry care. A lot. Or else they wouldn't be instigating so many volleys about it after my first mentioning it as an example of low standards.

    "This 'example' is indicative of a 'poor standard'? From our point of view - with new information - yes, but not from_his_point of view"
    And I've never disagreed with that (other than a single bad hair day back in February). I've repeated several times that I don't blame him at all. All he did was apply the standard of his day, a standard used by many to draw unfounded conclusions that are still accepted as fact today. He's not to blame, the discipline is to blame. Sure I might seem like I'm blaming and flaming Reisner, but that's just my frustration bubbling up and getting misinterpreted as being directed at Reisner. Sure it gets me upset when I realize how misguided we have all been by such fabricated stories that the humanities have allowed to run rampant. And it's not hard to lose oneself momentarily in a 'heat of battle' debate with such staunch idealogues as we see here at GHMB. And even though I did stray for a moment in Feb., I immediately retracted the comment and exonerated Reisner from the slur that several here have been trying to accuse me of.

    "Why is this a relevant example"
    Two reasons:
      1. This is but one example of very low standards used in the field. It's not limitied to Reisner or G7000x. It is a widespread phenomenon. It was used to show that the unfounded credibility that has been imbued into the Vyse narrative despite the lack of evidence of the actual events that happened is not an isolated event. Even the Vyse and Reisner apologists have acknowledged that such behavior was widespread. And sure enough, similar to the fabrications in the Reisner narrative, there is zero direct evidence that any sarcophagus was in that crate, and there is zero direct evidence that the crate was on the Beatrice when it left Alexandria. It's all based on what might possibly have happened as told in the purely speculative narrative that has yet to be substantiated (if anything, the new analysis being probed in these discussions make the narrative even less plausible, not more so).

      2. It's relevant because what some people are excoriating Scott for in these recent discussions is really not that much different from the fabricated narrative from Reisner that they so hostilely support. In other words, Scott is simply assessing the current physical evidence and constructing a story about the events that might have happened to account for that evidence. Is Scott's situation the same as Reisner's? Of course not; Reisner was a world-recognized mainstream Egyptologist with all credibility that goes with that stature. Scott is an independent armchair investigator who's far from mainstream and must deal with his far less field experience compared to Reisner as well as all of the inertia implied by such a challenge to mainstream. Also, at least parts of Reisner's narrative have been shown to be fabricated because they're now believed to be untrue and not based on fact. Scott's narrative remains to be proven wrong. Do the differences in Scott's and Reisner's respective narrative justify the deification of Reisner and the demonization of Scott? Absolutely not.

    "It is a very common practice for individuals who subliminaly recognize they've lost an argument, and in order to keep the 'narrative' going the datapoints just keep jumping all over the map."
    I know you're not referring to me since in my 118 posts that mention Reisner, 117 of them are rock steady in their consistency. And the one time I drifted, I immediately recognized and retracted it. On the other hand, the traditionalists here are the ones keeping this "narrative going" as they continue "jumping all over the map" searching for new ways to impose their position. I mentioned Reisner once at the beginning of the thread to exemplify the low standard, but they keep harping on all different ways to discredit it. I urge Avry to go back and reread if he missed that phenomenon. First they try to intimidate me by making fun of my "low standard" claim. Then they switch gears and acknowledge that it was indeed a low standard and then try to justify the low standard by claiming it was widespread across the discipline so why single out Reisner (as if that somehow makes the low standard any more acceptable). Then they think they can visit my intentions by trying to divine the hidden motives behind my words rather than taking the words at face value on their own merit within the context they're used. And now they've backed into the corner of relying on technical nuances to split hairs in the differences in word definitions between dictionaries (a common occurence) as a way to discredit the messenger instead of looking at the big picture of what the sentences actually say. In fact, only now is Avry acknowledging that it was indeed a low standard but that the issue just isn't that relevant or important. So I'm not the one who's "lost an argument here", or who kept the "narrative going", or who "jumped all over the map". I'm the one plowing through this volley very consistently and undeterred.

    "I implore you to stop this nonsense. Please."
    I agree this is nonsense but Avry misdirected his comment since I'm not the one dragging it out, his current post being an example since he asked me questions that I feel compelled to answer. If no one had challenged me when I initially mentioned low standard applied by Reisner (which was indeed a low standard by any measure), none of this "nonsense" would be persisting in the first place. Avry, himself, just acknowledged that it was indeed a low standard, and yet he still hasn't intervened with the Reisner apologists to cease their relentless defense of Reisner's narrative.

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That chemical analysis . . . 642 Martin Stower 19-May-16 17:30
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 572 Origyptian 19-May-16 20:50
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 546 Jon Ellison 19-May-16 21:31
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 516 Martin Stower 19-May-16 22:01
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 510 Martin Stower 19-May-16 21:42
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 492 Origyptian 19-May-16 22:12
The unfounded accusations continue..... 596 DScribr 19-May-16 22:46
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 578 Martin Stower 20-May-16 00:14
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 501 Thanos5150 20-May-16 00:35
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 386 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 01:57
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 517 Origyptian 20-May-16 02:47
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 396 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 03:20
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 476 Martin Stower 20-May-16 19:10
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 469 DScribr 20-May-16 23:23
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 496 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 23:35
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 477 DScribr 20-May-16 23:40
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 431 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:07
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 349 DScribr 20-May-16 02:58
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 504 Martin Stower 19-May-16 22:55
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 504 DScribr 19-May-16 22:43
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 486 Martin Stower 19-May-16 23:30
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 550 Origyptian 20-May-16 02:48
The lack of analysis . . . 577 DScribr 20-May-16 03:05
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 537 Audrey 20-May-16 04:13
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 457 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 06:58
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 625 Origyptian 20-May-16 15:46
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 451 Martin Stower 21-May-16 01:28
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 446 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:32
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 491 Martin Stower 21-May-16 02:07
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 471 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 06:43
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 495 Origyptian 21-May-16 14:58
So much for chemical analysis . . . 466 DScribr 21-May-16 19:54
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 476 Martin Stower 21-May-16 22:49
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 467 Martin Stower 21-May-16 23:00
Re: What's the end game with this? 576 Thunderbird 20-May-16 17:20
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 454 Audrey 20-May-16 22:43
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 462 Audrey 20-May-16 23:12
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 348 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:06
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 543 Origyptian 20-May-16 20:00
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 463 Origyptian 20-May-16 21:03
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 489 Martin Stower 20-May-16 23:44
Höfer and Görlitz meet Stein 420 Martin Stower 21-May-16 00:36
Re: Höfer and Görlitz meet Stein 400 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:23
Re: Höfer and Görlitz meet Stein 598 Martin Stower 21-May-16 01:55
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 553 Origyptian 22-May-16 00:09
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 431 Martin Stower 22-May-16 00:49
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 492 Origyptian 22-May-16 01:11
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 486 Jon Ellison 22-May-16 01:14
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 464 Origyptian 22-May-16 04:21
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Re: That chemical analysis is all but forgotten...... 469 DScribr 23-May-16 03:11
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 503 Richard Fusniak 21-May-16 08:47
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 474 Origyptian 21-May-16 13:26
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 408 Martin Stower 22-May-16 16:13
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 402 Martin Stower 21-May-16 22:44
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 590 Origyptian 21-May-16 23:58
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 688 Martin Stower 20-May-16 22:44
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 442 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:41
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 548 Origyptian 21-May-16 04:14
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 508 Thanos5150 19-May-16 22:50
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 490 Martin Stower 19-May-16 23:18
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 487 Origyptian 20-May-16 02:52
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 433 DScribr 20-May-16 03:12
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 508 Thanos5150 20-May-16 05:20
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 401 Origyptian 20-May-16 13:36
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 512 Thanos5150 20-May-16 17:57
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 514 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 18:56
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 488 Martin Stower 20-May-16 19:23
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 555 Thanos5150 20-May-16 19:27
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 432 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 19:29
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 462 Audrey 20-May-16 21:02
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 474 Origyptian 20-May-16 21:12
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 467 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 21:26
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 525 Thanos5150 20-May-16 22:08
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 506 Audrey 20-May-16 22:34
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 420 Thanos5150 20-May-16 22:36
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 485 Audrey 20-May-16 22:47
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 406 Thanos5150 20-May-16 23:00
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 425 Audrey 20-May-16 23:11
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 408 Thanos5150 21-May-16 00:01
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 419 Audrey 21-May-16 00:23
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 472 Thanos5150 21-May-16 03:14
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 467 Audrey 21-May-16 05:02
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 402 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 09:10
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 546 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 09:28
The chemical analysis is of little help without R-C Dating 504 DScribr 21-May-16 13:37
Re: The chemical analysis is of little help without R-C Dating 420 Origyptian 21-May-16 13:56
Re: The chemical analysis is of little help without R-C Dating 466 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 17:48
Willful ignorance continues....... 492 DScribr 21-May-16 19:49
Re: Willful ignorance continues....... 520 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 21:28
Re: Stealing IS a crime! Willful ignorance continues....... 426 DScribr 22-May-16 00:39
Re: The chemical analysis is of little help without R-C Dating 500 Richard Fusniak 21-May-16 18:17
Re: The chemical analysis is of little help without R-C Dating 388 DScribr 21-May-16 19:57
Re: The chemical analysis is of little help without R-C Dating 516 Richard Fusniak 21-May-16 20:24
Stealing IS A Crime!!! 498 DScribr 22-May-16 00:32
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 496 Origyptian 21-May-16 15:04
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 404 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 17:53
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 474 Origyptian 21-May-16 21:39
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 459 Jon Ellison 22-May-16 00:46
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 419 Martin Stower 21-May-16 00:09
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 498 Audrey 21-May-16 00:26
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 505 Martin Stower 21-May-16 00:42
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 457 Audrey 21-May-16 01:04
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 489 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 11:00
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 460 Origyptian 20-May-16 19:25
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 429 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:31
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 434 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:27
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 453 Martin Stower 21-May-16 03:31
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 432 Audrey 21-May-16 01:42
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Pending statement from Dr. Gorlitz 732 Richard Fusniak 20-May-16 12:04
Re: Pending statement from Dr. Gorlitz 522 Martin Stower 20-May-16 19:25
Martin Persists 569 drrayeye 23-May-16 01:30
Re: Martin Persists 538 Martin Stower 23-May-16 12:01
Re: Martin Persists 412 R Avry Wilson 24-May-16 19:58
Mainstream Persists 447 DScribr 25-May-16 00:56
Re: Martin Persists 623 Merrell 28-May-16 09:00
Re: Martin Persists 442 Martin Stower 28-May-16 11:11
as long as we are counting 548 Warwick 25-May-16 16:42
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Re: as long as we are counting 556 cladking 26-May-16 16:57
Re: as long as we are counting 463 Martin Stower 26-May-16 17:31
Re: as long as we are counting 477 Origyptian 26-May-16 17:40
Re: as long as we are counting 399 cladking 27-May-16 00:21
Re: as long as we are counting 483 Warwick 27-May-16 01:27
Re: as long as we are counting 312 Origyptian 27-May-16 02:53
And work hard at obfuscation. 378 DScribr 27-May-16 00:57
Re: And work hard at obfuscation. 438 cladking 27-May-16 02:55
Re: as long as we are counting 408 Warwick 27-May-16 01:29
Re: as long as we are counting 514 cladking 27-May-16 02:59
Re: as long as we are counting 488 Warwick 27-May-16 03:35
Re: as long as we are counting 476 Audrey 27-May-16 04:32
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The original page on Indiegogo etc. 571 Martin Stower 25-May-16 22:10
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NOT Primitive, Low-Tech 425 DScribr 28-May-16 14:09
Re: NOT Primitive, Low-Tech 469 cladking 28-May-16 14:31
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Re: Oops....we missed the Basalt flooring and machine disc cuts 355 Thunderbird 27-May-16 23:28
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Focus on the axiom 458 Origyptian 29-May-16 15:27
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Re: Focus on the axiom 479 Origyptian 31-May-16 06:41
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Re: Focus on reality. 437 DScribr 01-Jun-16 00:51
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Re: Focus on the axiom 407 cladking 02-Jun-16 18:20
Re: Focus on the axiom 451 Origyptian 03-Jun-16 18:04
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Re: Focus on the axiom 418 Origyptian 03-Jun-16 21:24
Re: Focus on the axiom 440 Corpuscles 03-Jun-16 23:59
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Re: Focus on the axiom 488 Jon Ellison 04-Jun-16 10:18
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Re: Focus on the axiom 440 Origyptian 05-Jun-16 01:25
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Re: Focus on the axiom 490 Origyptian 05-Jun-16 22:48
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Re: Focus on the axiom 441 Origyptian 06-Jun-16 00:54
Re: Focus on the axiom 401 Origyptian 06-Jun-16 01:01
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Re: Focus on the axiom 367 Audrey 06-Jun-16 04:59
Re: Focus on the axiom 381 Jon Ellison 06-Jun-16 07:59
Re: Focus on the axiom 383 Origyptian 06-Jun-16 14:00
Re: Focus on the axiom 448 cladking 06-Jun-16 16:13
Re: Focus on the axiom 401 Corpuscles 07-Jun-16 00:20
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Re: Focus on the axiom 345 Audrey 06-Jun-16 23:44
Read what I wrote 343 Warwick 07-Jun-16 17:15
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Re: Read what I wrote 536 Audrey 08-Jun-16 01:52
Re: Read what I wrote 396 Martin Stower 08-Jun-16 13:47
Vyse's veracity.... 397 Warwick 09-Jun-16 16:29
Re: Vyse's veracity.... 323 Audrey 09-Jun-16 16:51
Re: Vyse's veracity.... 418 Warwick 09-Jun-16 17:19
Re: Vyse's veracity.... 457 Audrey 09-Jun-16 17:45
Wilkinson's opinions 380 Warwick 09-Jun-16 18:47
Re: Wilkinson's opinions 388 Origyptian 09-Jun-16 20:57
Ori's opinions 531 DScribr 10-Jun-16 01:45
Re: The incredible Teflon Red Ochre 379 Thunderbird 10-Jun-16 04:07
Re: The incredible Teflon Red Ochre 497 Martin Stower 10-Jun-16 14:49
Re: The incredible Red Ochre lasted 4500 yrs. 419 DScribr 11-Jun-16 00:40
Re: Wilkinson's opinions 337 Martin Stower 10-Jun-16 02:28
Re: Wilkinson's opinions 337 Audrey 10-Jun-16 03:05
Re: Wilkinson's opinions 455 Martin Stower 10-Jun-16 14:09
Bibliography 391 Warwick 10-Jun-16 18:07
Re: Bibliography 405 Origyptian 10-Jun-16 18:35
Re: Bibliography 402 Warwick 10-Jun-16 20:01
Re: Bibliography 453 Origyptian 10-Jun-16 21:54
Re: Bibliography 469 Corpuscles 10-Jun-16 23:45
Re: Bibliography 292 Origyptian 11-Jun-16 17:01
Re: Bibliography 414 Corpuscles 11-Jun-16 22:36
Re: Bibliography 381 Audrey 11-Jun-16 23:08
Re: Bibliography 392 Corpuscles 11-Jun-16 23:26
Re: Bibliography 315 Audrey 12-Jun-16 02:30
Re: Bibliography 364 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 03:19
Re: Bibliography 305 Audrey 12-Jun-16 03:32
Re: Bibliography 338 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 03:40
Re: Bibliography 340 Audrey 12-Jun-16 03:50
Re: Bibliography 322 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 04:30
Re: Bibliography 302 Audrey 12-Jun-16 04:47
Re: Bibliography 296 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 05:02
Re: Bibliography 427 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 10:49
Re: Bibliography 388 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 15:56
Re: Bibliography 315 R Avry Wilson 12-Jun-16 17:41
But Avry.. 359 Warwick 12-Jun-16 17:58
Re: But Avry.. 429 R Avry Wilson 12-Jun-16 18:14
Re: But Avry.. 390 Audrey 12-Jun-16 18:37
Re: But Avry.. 402 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 20:15
Re: But Avry.. 410 Audrey 12-Jun-16 18:44
Re: But Avry.. 373 Warwick 12-Jun-16 18:59
Re: But Avry.. 369 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 20:11
This whole discussion is a boondoggle 424 DScribr 13-Jun-16 01:04
Re: This whole discussion is a boondoggle 406 Warwick 13-Jun-16 16:24
Re: Bibliography 287 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 10:28
Re: Bibliography 372 Origyptian 11-Jun-16 23:35
Re: Bibliography 407 Corpuscles 11-Jun-16 23:58
Re: Bibliography 380 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 00:48
Re: Bibliography 417 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 01:13
Re: Bibliography 447 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 01:33
Re: Bibliography 446 Martin Stower 11-Jun-16 02:05
Re: Bibliography 436 Origyptian 11-Jun-16 18:09
Re: Bibliography 420 Martin Stower 11-Jun-16 19:22
Re: Bibliography 367 Origyptian 11-Jun-16 19:56
Re: Bibliography 295 Martin Stower 11-Jun-16 20:47
Re: Bibliography 405 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 00:03
Re: Bibliography 400 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 00:22
Re: Bibliography 298 Audrey 12-Jun-16 01:58
Re: Bibliography 424 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 02:24
Re: Bibliography 347 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 12:23
Re: Bibliography 363 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 14:50
Re: Bibliography 367 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 16:46
Re: Bibliography 286 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 00:10
Re: Bibliography 405 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 00:18
Re: Bibliography 390 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 00:35
Re: Bibliography 426 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 00:39
Re: Bibliography 352 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 01:23
Re: Bibliography 354 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 02:18
Re: Bibliography 303 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 13:55
Re: Bibliography 360 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 15:45
Re: Bibliography 401 R Avry Wilson 12-Jun-16 17:32
Re: Bibliography 334 Warwick 12-Jun-16 17:41
Re: Bibliography 398 R Avry Wilson 12-Jun-16 18:08
Re: Bibliography 378 Audrey 12-Jun-16 18:48
Re: Bibliography 386 Audrey 12-Jun-16 18:35
Re: Bibliography 338 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 19:09
Gonna ignore the noise and try again 379 Warwick 12-Jun-16 19:53
Re: Gonna ignore the noise and try again 390 Thunderbird 12-Jun-16 20:18
Re: Gonna ignore the noise and try again 358 Audrey 12-Jun-16 21:04