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Jon Ellison Wrote:
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> Ori is stating that the story was fabricated.
> He has given his reasons for the use of the word "fabricated".
> Fabricated then by the higher standards of today
> and for whatever reason.
> The bar is constantly being raised and Egyptology
> must respond accordingly.
> As do all progressive disciplines.
> Yesterday's truth is not necessarily today's truth.
> It is not about the history of Egyptology, It's
> about the history of humanity.

Obviously, I wholeheartedly agree with Audrey and Jon (and no, we have not conspired or even consulted each other on our perspectives of Reisner, the cartouche, Vyse, or Creighton.

Avry's fascinating perspective is the poster child of how many of the major tenets of Egyptology got into the mess they're in today. Such a flippant attitude that hand waves the obsolete practices of the past (some of them still embraced in the present) is a clear demonstration of the inertia to update standards in the field.

To address some of Avry's concerns:
    "Fabrication, made it up, who cares"
    Apparently, Thanos, Stower, and Avry care. A lot. Or else they wouldn't be instigating so many volleys about it after my first mentioning it as an example of low standards.

    "This 'example' is indicative of a 'poor standard'? From our point of view - with new information - yes, but not from_his_point of view"
    And I've never disagreed with that (other than a single bad hair day back in February). I've repeated several times that I don't blame him at all. All he did was apply the standard of his day, a standard used by many to draw unfounded conclusions that are still accepted as fact today. He's not to blame, the discipline is to blame. Sure I might seem like I'm blaming and flaming Reisner, but that's just my frustration bubbling up and getting misinterpreted as being directed at Reisner. Sure it gets me upset when I realize how misguided we have all been by such fabricated stories that the humanities have allowed to run rampant. And it's not hard to lose oneself momentarily in a 'heat of battle' debate with such staunch idealogues as we see here at GHMB. And even though I did stray for a moment in Feb., I immediately retracted the comment and exonerated Reisner from the slur that several here have been trying to accuse me of.

    "Why is this a relevant example"
    Two reasons:
      1. This is but one example of very low standards used in the field. It's not limitied to Reisner or G7000x. It is a widespread phenomenon. It was used to show that the unfounded credibility that has been imbued into the Vyse narrative despite the lack of evidence of the actual events that happened is not an isolated event. Even the Vyse and Reisner apologists have acknowledged that such behavior was widespread. And sure enough, similar to the fabrications in the Reisner narrative, there is zero direct evidence that any sarcophagus was in that crate, and there is zero direct evidence that the crate was on the Beatrice when it left Alexandria. It's all based on what might possibly have happened as told in the purely speculative narrative that has yet to be substantiated (if anything, the new analysis being probed in these discussions make the narrative even less plausible, not more so).

      2. It's relevant because what some people are excoriating Scott for in these recent discussions is really not that much different from the fabricated narrative from Reisner that they so hostilely support. In other words, Scott is simply assessing the current physical evidence and constructing a story about the events that might have happened to account for that evidence. Is Scott's situation the same as Reisner's? Of course not; Reisner was a world-recognized mainstream Egyptologist with all credibility that goes with that stature. Scott is an independent armchair investigator who's far from mainstream and must deal with his far less field experience compared to Reisner as well as all of the inertia implied by such a challenge to mainstream. Also, at least parts of Reisner's narrative have been shown to be fabricated because they're now believed to be untrue and not based on fact. Scott's narrative remains to be proven wrong. Do the differences in Scott's and Reisner's respective narrative justify the deification of Reisner and the demonization of Scott? Absolutely not.

    "It is a very common practice for individuals who subliminaly recognize they've lost an argument, and in order to keep the 'narrative' going the datapoints just keep jumping all over the map."
    I know you're not referring to me since in my 118 posts that mention Reisner, 117 of them are rock steady in their consistency. And the one time I drifted, I immediately recognized and retracted it. On the other hand, the traditionalists here are the ones keeping this "narrative going" as they continue "jumping all over the map" searching for new ways to impose their position. I mentioned Reisner once at the beginning of the thread to exemplify the low standard, but they keep harping on all different ways to discredit it. I urge Avry to go back and reread if he missed that phenomenon. First they try to intimidate me by making fun of my "low standard" claim. Then they switch gears and acknowledge that it was indeed a low standard and then try to justify the low standard by claiming it was widespread across the discipline so why single out Reisner (as if that somehow makes the low standard any more acceptable). Then they think they can visit my intentions by trying to divine the hidden motives behind my words rather than taking the words at face value on their own merit within the context they're used. And now they've backed into the corner of relying on technical nuances to split hairs in the differences in word definitions between dictionaries (a common occurence) as a way to discredit the messenger instead of looking at the big picture of what the sentences actually say. In fact, only now is Avry acknowledging that it was indeed a low standard but that the issue just isn't that relevant or important. So I'm not the one who's "lost an argument here", or who kept the "narrative going", or who "jumped all over the map". I'm the one plowing through this volley very consistently and undeterred.

    "I implore you to stop this nonsense. Please."
    I agree this is nonsense but Avry misdirected his comment since I'm not the one dragging it out, his current post being an example since he asked me questions that I feel compelled to answer. If no one had challenged me when I initially mentioned low standard applied by Reisner (which was indeed a low standard by any measure), none of this "nonsense" would be persisting in the first place. Avry, himself, just acknowledged that it was indeed a low standard, and yet he still hasn't intervened with the Reisner apologists to cease their relentless defense of Reisner's narrative.

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That chemical analysis . . . 658 Martin Stower 19-May-16 17:30
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 587 Origyptian 19-May-16 20:50
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 562 Jon Ellison 19-May-16 21:31
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 531 Martin Stower 19-May-16 22:01
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 523 Martin Stower 19-May-16 21:42
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 503 Origyptian 19-May-16 22:12
The unfounded accusations continue..... 615 DScribr 19-May-16 22:46
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 595 Martin Stower 20-May-16 00:14
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 513 Thanos5150 20-May-16 00:35
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 400 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 01:57
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 529 Origyptian 20-May-16 02:47
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 414 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 03:20
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 486 Martin Stower 20-May-16 19:10
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 498 DScribr 20-May-16 23:23
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 508 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 23:35
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 490 DScribr 20-May-16 23:40
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 465 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:07
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 365 DScribr 20-May-16 02:58
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 516 Martin Stower 19-May-16 22:55
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 519 DScribr 19-May-16 22:43
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 499 Martin Stower 19-May-16 23:30
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 569 Origyptian 20-May-16 02:48
The lack of analysis . . . 615 DScribr 20-May-16 03:05
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 554 Audrey 20-May-16 04:13
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 469 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 06:58
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 637 Origyptian 20-May-16 15:46
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 464 Martin Stower 21-May-16 01:28
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 456 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:32
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 505 Martin Stower 21-May-16 02:07
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 491 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 06:43
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 506 Origyptian 21-May-16 14:58
So much for chemical analysis . . . 486 DScribr 21-May-16 19:54
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 491 Martin Stower 21-May-16 22:49
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 483 Martin Stower 21-May-16 23:00
Re: What's the end game with this? 590 Thunderbird 20-May-16 17:20
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 466 Audrey 20-May-16 22:43
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 370 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:06
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Höfer and Görlitz meet Stein 433 Martin Stower 21-May-16 00:36
Re: Höfer and Görlitz meet Stein 413 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:23
Re: Höfer and Görlitz meet Stein 624 Martin Stower 21-May-16 01:55
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 502 Jon Ellison 22-May-16 01:14
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 478 Origyptian 22-May-16 04:21
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Re: That chemical analysis is all but forgotten...... 479 DScribr 23-May-16 03:11
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 516 Richard Fusniak 21-May-16 08:47
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 488 Origyptian 21-May-16 13:26
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 608 Origyptian 21-May-16 23:58
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 705 Martin Stower 20-May-16 22:44
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 565 Origyptian 21-May-16 04:14
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 524 Thanos5150 19-May-16 22:50
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 503 Origyptian 20-May-16 02:52
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 416 Origyptian 20-May-16 13:36
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 525 Thanos5150 20-May-16 17:57
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 527 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 18:56
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 579 Thanos5150 20-May-16 19:27
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 449 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 19:29
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 478 Audrey 20-May-16 21:02
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 480 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 21:26
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 538 Thanos5150 20-May-16 22:08
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 528 Audrey 20-May-16 22:34
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 432 Thanos5150 20-May-16 22:36
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 511 Audrey 20-May-16 22:47
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 418 Thanos5150 20-May-16 23:00
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 438 Audrey 20-May-16 23:11
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 421 Thanos5150 21-May-16 00:01
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 434 Audrey 21-May-16 00:23
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 488 Thanos5150 21-May-16 03:14
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 483 Audrey 21-May-16 05:02
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 416 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 09:10
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 556 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 09:28
The chemical analysis is of little help without R-C Dating 517 DScribr 21-May-16 13:37
Re: The chemical analysis is of little help without R-C Dating 432 Origyptian 21-May-16 13:56
Re: The chemical analysis is of little help without R-C Dating 479 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 17:48
Willful ignorance continues....... 510 DScribr 21-May-16 19:49
Re: Willful ignorance continues....... 534 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 21:28
Re: Stealing IS a crime! Willful ignorance continues....... 440 DScribr 22-May-16 00:39
Re: The chemical analysis is of little help without R-C Dating 514 Richard Fusniak 21-May-16 18:17
Re: The chemical analysis is of little help without R-C Dating 401 DScribr 21-May-16 19:57
Re: The chemical analysis is of little help without R-C Dating 533 Richard Fusniak 21-May-16 20:24
Stealing IS A Crime!!! 512 DScribr 22-May-16 00:32
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 511 Origyptian 21-May-16 15:04
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 431 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 17:53
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 486 Origyptian 21-May-16 21:39
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 478 Jon Ellison 22-May-16 00:46
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 433 Martin Stower 21-May-16 00:09
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 513 Audrey 21-May-16 00:26
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 503 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 11:00
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Pending statement from Dr. Gorlitz 767 Richard Fusniak 20-May-16 12:04
Re: Pending statement from Dr. Gorlitz 534 Martin Stower 20-May-16 19:25
Martin Persists 586 drrayeye 23-May-16 01:30
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Re: Martin Persists 424 R Avry Wilson 24-May-16 19:58
Mainstream Persists 464 DScribr 25-May-16 00:56
Re: Martin Persists 640 Merrell 28-May-16 09:00
Re: Martin Persists 475 Martin Stower 28-May-16 11:11
as long as we are counting 565 Warwick 25-May-16 16:42
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Re: as long as we are counting 409 cladking 27-May-16 00:21
Re: as long as we are counting 501 Warwick 27-May-16 01:27
Re: as long as we are counting 325 Origyptian 27-May-16 02:53
And work hard at obfuscation. 397 DScribr 27-May-16 00:57
Re: And work hard at obfuscation. 450 cladking 27-May-16 02:55
Re: as long as we are counting 425 Warwick 27-May-16 01:29
Re: as long as we are counting 533 cladking 27-May-16 02:59
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The original page on Indiegogo etc. 586 Martin Stower 25-May-16 22:10
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NOT Primitive, Low-Tech 438 DScribr 28-May-16 14:09
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Re: Oops....we missed the Basalt flooring and machine disc cuts 367 Thunderbird 27-May-16 23:28
Re: Oops....we missed the Basalt flooring and machine disc cuts 479 Martin Stower 27-May-16 23:41
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Focus on the axiom 469 Origyptian 29-May-16 15:27
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Re: Focus on reality. 454 DScribr 01-Jun-16 00:51
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Re: Focus on the axiom 442 Origyptian 03-Jun-16 21:24
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Re: Focus on the axiom 388 Audrey 06-Jun-16 04:59
Re: Focus on the axiom 394 Jon Ellison 06-Jun-16 07:59
Re: Focus on the axiom 398 Origyptian 06-Jun-16 14:00
Re: Focus on the axiom 458 cladking 06-Jun-16 16:13
Re: Focus on the axiom 417 Corpuscles 07-Jun-16 00:20
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Re: Focus on the axiom 358 Audrey 06-Jun-16 23:44
Read what I wrote 371 Warwick 07-Jun-16 17:15
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Re: Read what I wrote 407 Martin Stower 08-Jun-16 13:47
Vyse's veracity.... 414 Warwick 09-Jun-16 16:29
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Re: Vyse's veracity.... 435 Warwick 09-Jun-16 17:19
Re: Vyse's veracity.... 474 Audrey 09-Jun-16 17:45
Wilkinson's opinions 399 Warwick 09-Jun-16 18:47
Re: Wilkinson's opinions 413 Origyptian 09-Jun-16 20:57
Ori's opinions 546 DScribr 10-Jun-16 01:45
Re: The incredible Teflon Red Ochre 391 Thunderbird 10-Jun-16 04:07
Re: The incredible Teflon Red Ochre 513 Martin Stower 10-Jun-16 14:49
Re: The incredible Red Ochre lasted 4500 yrs. 429 DScribr 11-Jun-16 00:40
Re: Wilkinson's opinions 360 Martin Stower 10-Jun-16 02:28
Re: Wilkinson's opinions 350 Audrey 10-Jun-16 03:05
Re: Wilkinson's opinions 480 Martin Stower 10-Jun-16 14:09
Bibliography 423 Warwick 10-Jun-16 18:07
Re: Bibliography 441 Origyptian 10-Jun-16 18:35
Re: Bibliography 417 Warwick 10-Jun-16 20:01
Re: Bibliography 467 Origyptian 10-Jun-16 21:54
Re: Bibliography 484 Corpuscles 10-Jun-16 23:45
Re: Bibliography 305 Origyptian 11-Jun-16 17:01
Re: Bibliography 431 Corpuscles 11-Jun-16 22:36
Re: Bibliography 397 Audrey 11-Jun-16 23:08
Re: Bibliography 412 Corpuscles 11-Jun-16 23:26
Re: Bibliography 337 Audrey 12-Jun-16 02:30
Re: Bibliography 378 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 03:19
Re: Bibliography 324 Audrey 12-Jun-16 03:32
Re: Bibliography 352 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 03:40
Re: Bibliography 357 Audrey 12-Jun-16 03:50
Re: Bibliography 338 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 04:30
Re: Bibliography 316 Audrey 12-Jun-16 04:47
Re: Bibliography 306 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 05:02
Re: Bibliography 442 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 10:49
Re: Bibliography 403 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 15:56
Re: Bibliography 337 R Avry Wilson 12-Jun-16 17:41
But Avry.. 377 Warwick 12-Jun-16 17:58
Re: But Avry.. 460 R Avry Wilson 12-Jun-16 18:14
Re: But Avry.. 426 Audrey 12-Jun-16 18:37
Re: But Avry.. 422 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 20:15
Re: But Avry.. 424 Audrey 12-Jun-16 18:44
Re: But Avry.. 385 Warwick 12-Jun-16 18:59
Re: But Avry.. 386 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 20:11
This whole discussion is a boondoggle 463 DScribr 13-Jun-16 01:04
Re: This whole discussion is a boondoggle 422 Warwick 13-Jun-16 16:24
Re: Bibliography 301 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 10:28
Re: Bibliography 391 Origyptian 11-Jun-16 23:35
Re: Bibliography 422 Corpuscles 11-Jun-16 23:58
Re: Bibliography 393 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 00:48
Re: Bibliography 430 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 01:13
Re: Bibliography 462 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 01:33
Re: Bibliography 479 Martin Stower 11-Jun-16 02:05
Re: Bibliography 451 Origyptian 11-Jun-16 18:09
Re: Bibliography 437 Martin Stower 11-Jun-16 19:22
Re: Bibliography 382 Origyptian 11-Jun-16 19:56
Re: Bibliography 306 Martin Stower 11-Jun-16 20:47
Re: Bibliography 426 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 00:03
Re: Bibliography 418 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 00:22
Re: Bibliography 314 Audrey 12-Jun-16 01:58
Re: Bibliography 457 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 02:24
Re: Bibliography 366 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 12:23
Re: Bibliography 381 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 14:50
Re: Bibliography 407 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 16:46
Re: Bibliography 322 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 00:10
Re: Bibliography 422 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 00:18
Re: Bibliography 405 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 00:35
Re: Bibliography 457 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 00:39
Re: Bibliography 365 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 01:23
Re: Bibliography 365 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 02:18
Re: Bibliography 317 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 13:55
Re: Bibliography 385 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 15:45
Re: Bibliography 422 R Avry Wilson 12-Jun-16 17:32
Re: Bibliography 360 Warwick 12-Jun-16 17:41
Re: Bibliography 412 R Avry Wilson 12-Jun-16 18:08
Re: Bibliography 409 Audrey 12-Jun-16 18:48
Re: Bibliography 402 Audrey 12-Jun-16 18:35
Re: Bibliography 351 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 19:09
Gonna ignore the noise and try again 397 Warwick 12-Jun-16 19:53
Re: Gonna ignore the noise and try again 405 Thunderbird 12-Jun-16 20:18
Re: Gonna ignore the noise and try again 372 Audrey 12-Jun-16 21:04