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Jon Ellison Wrote:
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> Ori is stating that the story was fabricated.
> He has given his reasons for the use of the word "fabricated".
> Fabricated then by the higher standards of today
> and for whatever reason.
> The bar is constantly being raised and Egyptology
> must respond accordingly.
> As do all progressive disciplines.
> Yesterday's truth is not necessarily today's truth.
> It is not about the history of Egyptology, It's
> about the history of humanity.

Obviously, I wholeheartedly agree with Audrey and Jon (and no, we have not conspired or even consulted each other on our perspectives of Reisner, the cartouche, Vyse, or Creighton.

Avry's fascinating perspective is the poster child of how many of the major tenets of Egyptology got into the mess they're in today. Such a flippant attitude that hand waves the obsolete practices of the past (some of them still embraced in the present) is a clear demonstration of the inertia to update standards in the field.

To address some of Avry's concerns:
    "Fabrication, made it up, who cares"
    Apparently, Thanos, Stower, and Avry care. A lot. Or else they wouldn't be instigating so many volleys about it after my first mentioning it as an example of low standards.

    "This 'example' is indicative of a 'poor standard'? From our point of view - with new information - yes, but not from_his_point of view"
    And I've never disagreed with that (other than a single bad hair day back in February). I've repeated several times that I don't blame him at all. All he did was apply the standard of his day, a standard used by many to draw unfounded conclusions that are still accepted as fact today. He's not to blame, the discipline is to blame. Sure I might seem like I'm blaming and flaming Reisner, but that's just my frustration bubbling up and getting misinterpreted as being directed at Reisner. Sure it gets me upset when I realize how misguided we have all been by such fabricated stories that the humanities have allowed to run rampant. And it's not hard to lose oneself momentarily in a 'heat of battle' debate with such staunch idealogues as we see here at GHMB. And even though I did stray for a moment in Feb., I immediately retracted the comment and exonerated Reisner from the slur that several here have been trying to accuse me of.

    "Why is this a relevant example"
    Two reasons:
      1. This is but one example of very low standards used in the field. It's not limitied to Reisner or G7000x. It is a widespread phenomenon. It was used to show that the unfounded credibility that has been imbued into the Vyse narrative despite the lack of evidence of the actual events that happened is not an isolated event. Even the Vyse and Reisner apologists have acknowledged that such behavior was widespread. And sure enough, similar to the fabrications in the Reisner narrative, there is zero direct evidence that any sarcophagus was in that crate, and there is zero direct evidence that the crate was on the Beatrice when it left Alexandria. It's all based on what might possibly have happened as told in the purely speculative narrative that has yet to be substantiated (if anything, the new analysis being probed in these discussions make the narrative even less plausible, not more so).

      2. It's relevant because what some people are excoriating Scott for in these recent discussions is really not that much different from the fabricated narrative from Reisner that they so hostilely support. In other words, Scott is simply assessing the current physical evidence and constructing a story about the events that might have happened to account for that evidence. Is Scott's situation the same as Reisner's? Of course not; Reisner was a world-recognized mainstream Egyptologist with all credibility that goes with that stature. Scott is an independent armchair investigator who's far from mainstream and must deal with his far less field experience compared to Reisner as well as all of the inertia implied by such a challenge to mainstream. Also, at least parts of Reisner's narrative have been shown to be fabricated because they're now believed to be untrue and not based on fact. Scott's narrative remains to be proven wrong. Do the differences in Scott's and Reisner's respective narrative justify the deification of Reisner and the demonization of Scott? Absolutely not.

    "It is a very common practice for individuals who subliminaly recognize they've lost an argument, and in order to keep the 'narrative' going the datapoints just keep jumping all over the map."
    I know you're not referring to me since in my 118 posts that mention Reisner, 117 of them are rock steady in their consistency. And the one time I drifted, I immediately recognized and retracted it. On the other hand, the traditionalists here are the ones keeping this "narrative going" as they continue "jumping all over the map" searching for new ways to impose their position. I mentioned Reisner once at the beginning of the thread to exemplify the low standard, but they keep harping on all different ways to discredit it. I urge Avry to go back and reread if he missed that phenomenon. First they try to intimidate me by making fun of my "low standard" claim. Then they switch gears and acknowledge that it was indeed a low standard and then try to justify the low standard by claiming it was widespread across the discipline so why single out Reisner (as if that somehow makes the low standard any more acceptable). Then they think they can visit my intentions by trying to divine the hidden motives behind my words rather than taking the words at face value on their own merit within the context they're used. And now they've backed into the corner of relying on technical nuances to split hairs in the differences in word definitions between dictionaries (a common occurence) as a way to discredit the messenger instead of looking at the big picture of what the sentences actually say. In fact, only now is Avry acknowledging that it was indeed a low standard but that the issue just isn't that relevant or important. So I'm not the one who's "lost an argument here", or who kept the "narrative going", or who "jumped all over the map". I'm the one plowing through this volley very consistently and undeterred.

    "I implore you to stop this nonsense. Please."
    I agree this is nonsense but Avry misdirected his comment since I'm not the one dragging it out, his current post being an example since he asked me questions that I feel compelled to answer. If no one had challenged me when I initially mentioned low standard applied by Reisner (which was indeed a low standard by any measure), none of this "nonsense" would be persisting in the first place. Avry, himself, just acknowledged that it was indeed a low standard, and yet he still hasn't intervened with the Reisner apologists to cease their relentless defense of Reisner's narrative.

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Creighton Persists Part 2 4154 JonnyMcA 19-May-16 14:30
That chemical analysis . . . 707 Martin Stower 19-May-16 17:30
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 626 Origyptian 19-May-16 20:50
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 596 Jon Ellison 19-May-16 21:31
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 574 Martin Stower 19-May-16 22:01
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 562 Martin Stower 19-May-16 21:42
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 537 Origyptian 19-May-16 22:12
The unfounded accusations continue..... 655 DScribr 19-May-16 22:46
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 637 Martin Stower 20-May-16 00:14
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 553 Thanos5150 20-May-16 00:35
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 449 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 01:57
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 561 Origyptian 20-May-16 02:47
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 451 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 03:20
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 532 Martin Stower 20-May-16 19:10
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 548 DScribr 20-May-16 23:23
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 544 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 23:35
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 531 DScribr 20-May-16 23:40
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 507 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:07
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 403 DScribr 20-May-16 02:58
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 549 Martin Stower 19-May-16 22:55
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 562 DScribr 19-May-16 22:43
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 542 Martin Stower 19-May-16 23:30
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 602 Origyptian 20-May-16 02:48
The lack of analysis . . . 663 DScribr 20-May-16 03:05
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 593 Audrey 20-May-16 04:13
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 518 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 06:58
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 679 Origyptian 20-May-16 15:46
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 509 Martin Stower 21-May-16 01:28
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 506 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:32
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 552 Martin Stower 21-May-16 02:07
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 530 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 06:43
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 547 Origyptian 21-May-16 14:58
So much for chemical analysis . . . 535 DScribr 21-May-16 19:54
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 536 Martin Stower 21-May-16 22:49
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 529 Martin Stower 21-May-16 23:00
Re: What's the end game with this? 627 Thunderbird 20-May-16 17:20
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 531 Martin Stower 20-May-16 19:04
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 512 Audrey 20-May-16 22:43
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 467 Martin Stower 20-May-16 22:54
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 507 Audrey 20-May-16 23:12
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 392 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:06
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 597 Origyptian 20-May-16 20:00
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Höfer and Görlitz meet Stein 473 Martin Stower 21-May-16 00:36
Re: Höfer and Görlitz meet Stein 447 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:23
Re: Höfer and Görlitz meet Stein 667 Martin Stower 21-May-16 01:55
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 471 Origyptian 21-May-16 04:08
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 625 Origyptian 22-May-16 00:09
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 573 Origyptian 22-May-16 00:57
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 549 Origyptian 22-May-16 01:11
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 535 Jon Ellison 22-May-16 01:14
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 564 Martin Stower 22-May-16 01:51
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Re: That chemical analysis is all but forgotten...... 525 DScribr 23-May-16 03:11
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 559 Richard Fusniak 21-May-16 08:47
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 527 Origyptian 21-May-16 13:26
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 462 Martin Stower 22-May-16 16:13
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 652 Origyptian 21-May-16 23:58
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 506 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:41
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 585 Origyptian 21-May-16 04:14
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 545 Martin Stower 19-May-16 23:18
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 451 DScribr 20-May-16 03:07
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 546 Origyptian 20-May-16 02:52
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 490 DScribr 20-May-16 03:12
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 450 Origyptian 20-May-16 13:36
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 566 Thanos5150 20-May-16 17:57
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 568 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 18:56
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 545 Martin Stower 20-May-16 19:23
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 624 Thanos5150 20-May-16 19:27
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 482 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 19:29
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 514 Audrey 20-May-16 21:02
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 537 Origyptian 20-May-16 21:12
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 513 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 21:26
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 582 Thanos5150 20-May-16 22:08
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 569 Audrey 20-May-16 22:34
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 466 Thanos5150 20-May-16 22:36
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 548 Audrey 20-May-16 22:47
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 457 Thanos5150 20-May-16 23:00
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 483 Audrey 20-May-16 23:11
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 465 Thanos5150 21-May-16 00:01
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 477 Audrey 21-May-16 00:23
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 524 Thanos5150 21-May-16 03:14
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 514 Audrey 21-May-16 05:02
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 459 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 09:10
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 587 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 09:28
The chemical analysis is of little help without R-C Dating 562 DScribr 21-May-16 13:37
Re: The chemical analysis is of little help without R-C Dating 472 Origyptian 21-May-16 13:56
Re: The chemical analysis is of little help without R-C Dating 514 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 17:48
Willful ignorance continues....... 549 DScribr 21-May-16 19:49
Re: Willful ignorance continues....... 562 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 21:28
Re: Stealing IS a crime! Willful ignorance continues....... 463 DScribr 22-May-16 00:39
Re: The chemical analysis is of little help without R-C Dating 564 Richard Fusniak 21-May-16 18:17
Re: The chemical analysis is of little help without R-C Dating 443 DScribr 21-May-16 19:57
Re: The chemical analysis is of little help without R-C Dating 575 Richard Fusniak 21-May-16 20:24
Stealing IS A Crime!!! 555 DScribr 22-May-16 00:32
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 549 Origyptian 21-May-16 15:04
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 465 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 17:53
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 523 Origyptian 21-May-16 21:39
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 523 Jon Ellison 22-May-16 00:46
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 474 Martin Stower 21-May-16 00:09
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 555 Audrey 21-May-16 00:26
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 515 Audrey 21-May-16 01:04
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 589 Martin Stower 21-May-16 01:41
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 537 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 11:00
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 505 Origyptian 20-May-16 19:25
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 469 Origyptian 20-May-16 20:35
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 479 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:27
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 486 Audrey 21-May-16 01:42
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Pending statement from Dr. Gorlitz 815 Richard Fusniak 20-May-16 12:04
Re: Pending statement from Dr. Gorlitz 576 Martin Stower 20-May-16 19:25
Martin Persists 619 drrayeye 23-May-16 01:30
Re: Martin Persists 601 Martin Stower 23-May-16 12:01
Re: Martin Persists 457 R Avry Wilson 24-May-16 19:58
Mainstream Persists 519 DScribr 25-May-16 00:56
Re: Martin Persists 677 Merrell 28-May-16 09:00
Re: Martin Persists 514 Martin Stower 28-May-16 11:11
as long as we are counting 609 Warwick 25-May-16 16:42
Re: as long as we are counting 568 DScribr 26-May-16 01:53
Re: as long as we are counting 609 cladking 26-May-16 16:57
Re: as long as we are counting 526 Martin Stower 26-May-16 17:31
Re: as long as we are counting 534 Origyptian 26-May-16 17:40
Re: as long as we are counting 456 cladking 27-May-16 00:21
Re: as long as we are counting 545 Warwick 27-May-16 01:27
Re: as long as we are counting 357 Origyptian 27-May-16 02:53
And work hard at obfuscation. 425 DScribr 27-May-16 00:57
Re: And work hard at obfuscation. 493 cladking 27-May-16 02:55
Re: as long as we are counting 466 Warwick 27-May-16 01:29
Re: as long as we are counting 563 cladking 27-May-16 02:59
Re: as long as we are counting 547 Warwick 27-May-16 03:35
Re: as long as we are counting 523 Audrey 27-May-16 04:32
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The original page on Indiegogo etc. 619 Martin Stower 25-May-16 22:10
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NOT Primitive, Low-Tech 471 DScribr 28-May-16 14:09
Re: NOT Primitive, Low-Tech 517 cladking 28-May-16 14:31
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Re: Oops....we missed the Basalt flooring and machine disc cuts 399 Thunderbird 27-May-16 23:28
Re: Oops....we missed the Basalt flooring and machine disc cuts 510 Martin Stower 27-May-16 23:41
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Focus on the axiom 499 Origyptian 29-May-16 15:27
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Re: Focus on reality. 488 DScribr 01-Jun-16 00:51
Re: Focus on the axiom 478 Origyptian 01-Jun-16 06:20
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Re: Focus on the axiom 512 R Avry Wilson 03-Jun-16 18:43
Re: Focus on the axiom 497 Origyptian 03-Jun-16 21:24
Re: Focus on the axiom 495 Corpuscles 03-Jun-16 23:59
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Re: Focus on the axiom 407 Origyptian 04-Jun-16 07:02
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Re: Focus on the axiom 479 cladking 03-Jun-16 22:51
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Re: Focus on the axiom 451 Martin Stower 05-Jun-16 23:47
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Re: Focus on the axiom 430 Audrey 06-Jun-16 04:59
Re: Focus on the axiom 417 Jon Ellison 06-Jun-16 07:59
Re: Focus on the axiom 442 Origyptian 06-Jun-16 14:00
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Re: Focus on the axiom 449 Corpuscles 07-Jun-16 00:20
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Re: Focus on the axiom 387 Audrey 06-Jun-16 23:44
Read what I wrote 410 Warwick 07-Jun-16 17:15
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Re: Read what I wrote 425 Martin Stower 08-Jun-16 01:40
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Re: Read what I wrote 456 Martin Stower 08-Jun-16 13:47
Vyse's veracity.... 450 Warwick 09-Jun-16 16:29
Re: Vyse's veracity.... 365 Audrey 09-Jun-16 16:51
Re: Vyse's veracity.... 476 Warwick 09-Jun-16 17:19
Re: Vyse's veracity.... 505 Audrey 09-Jun-16 17:45
Wilkinson's opinions 430 Warwick 09-Jun-16 18:47
Re: Wilkinson's opinions 445 Origyptian 09-Jun-16 20:57
Ori's opinions 595 DScribr 10-Jun-16 01:45
Re: The incredible Teflon Red Ochre 423 Thunderbird 10-Jun-16 04:07
Re: The incredible Teflon Red Ochre 546 Martin Stower 10-Jun-16 14:49
Re: The incredible Red Ochre lasted 4500 yrs. 464 DScribr 11-Jun-16 00:40
Re: Wilkinson's opinions 390 Martin Stower 10-Jun-16 02:28
Re: Wilkinson's opinions 381 Audrey 10-Jun-16 03:05
Re: Wilkinson's opinions 521 Martin Stower 10-Jun-16 14:09
Bibliography 463 Warwick 10-Jun-16 18:07
Re: Bibliography 471 Origyptian 10-Jun-16 18:35
Re: Bibliography 452 Warwick 10-Jun-16 20:01
Re: Bibliography 499 Origyptian 10-Jun-16 21:54
Re: Bibliography 522 Corpuscles 10-Jun-16 23:45
Re: Bibliography 336 Origyptian 11-Jun-16 17:01
Re: Bibliography 474 Corpuscles 11-Jun-16 22:36
Re: Bibliography 425 Audrey 11-Jun-16 23:08
Re: Bibliography 456 Corpuscles 11-Jun-16 23:26
Re: Bibliography 364 Audrey 12-Jun-16 02:30
Re: Bibliography 406 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 03:19
Re: Bibliography 354 Audrey 12-Jun-16 03:32
Re: Bibliography 389 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 03:40
Re: Bibliography 404 Audrey 12-Jun-16 03:50
Re: Bibliography 362 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 04:30
Re: Bibliography 357 Audrey 12-Jun-16 04:47
Re: Bibliography 336 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 05:02
Re: Bibliography 474 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 10:49
Re: Bibliography 428 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 15:56
Re: Bibliography 360 R Avry Wilson 12-Jun-16 17:41
But Avry.. 407 Warwick 12-Jun-16 17:58
Re: But Avry.. 487 R Avry Wilson 12-Jun-16 18:14
Re: But Avry.. 470 Audrey 12-Jun-16 18:37
Re: But Avry.. 454 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 20:15
Re: But Avry.. 456 Audrey 12-Jun-16 18:44
Re: But Avry.. 429 Warwick 12-Jun-16 18:59
Re: But Avry.. 408 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 20:11
This whole discussion is a boondoggle 486 DScribr 13-Jun-16 01:04
Re: This whole discussion is a boondoggle 467 Warwick 13-Jun-16 16:24
Re: Bibliography 335 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 10:28
Re: Bibliography 429 Origyptian 11-Jun-16 23:35
Re: Bibliography 453 Corpuscles 11-Jun-16 23:58
Re: Bibliography 431 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 00:48
Re: Bibliography 466 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 01:13
Re: Bibliography 492 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 01:33
Re: Bibliography 513 Martin Stower 11-Jun-16 02:05
Re: Bibliography 484 Origyptian 11-Jun-16 18:09
Re: Bibliography 475 Martin Stower 11-Jun-16 19:22
Re: Bibliography 410 Origyptian 11-Jun-16 19:56
Re: Bibliography 340 Martin Stower 11-Jun-16 20:47
Re: Bibliography 465 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 00:03
Re: Bibliography 447 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 00:22
Re: Bibliography 343 Audrey 12-Jun-16 01:58
Re: Bibliography 483 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 02:24
Re: Bibliography 400 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 12:23
Re: Bibliography 426 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 14:50
Re: Bibliography 438 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 16:46
Re: Bibliography 355 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 00:10
Re: Bibliography 449 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 00:18
Re: Bibliography 443 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 00:35
Re: Bibliography 505 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 00:39
Re: Bibliography 398 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 01:23
Re: Bibliography 400 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 02:18
Re: Bibliography 346 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 13:55
Re: Bibliography 423 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 15:45
Re: Bibliography 451 R Avry Wilson 12-Jun-16 17:32
Re: Bibliography 397 Warwick 12-Jun-16 17:41
Re: Bibliography 443 R Avry Wilson 12-Jun-16 18:08
Re: Bibliography 438 Audrey 12-Jun-16 18:48
Re: Bibliography 440 Audrey 12-Jun-16 18:35
Re: Bibliography 382 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 19:09
Gonna ignore the noise and try again 434 Warwick 12-Jun-16 19:53
Re: Gonna ignore the noise and try again 445 Thunderbird 12-Jun-16 20:18
Re: Gonna ignore the noise and try again 412 Audrey 12-Jun-16 21:04