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Origyptian Wrote:
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> These are deflections that do not represent what I
> said in my posts. Certainly, Reisner
> can be accused of inventing a
> conspiracy in which Khufu's team
> coordinated a secret reburial of Hetepheres from
> Dashur to Giza. And he might also be accused of
> inventing a deception in which
> Khufu's team tried to slip the sealed but empty
> sarcophagus past Khufu without him knowing it
> didn't contain the remains of Hetepheres I. But
> I've never stated or implied that Reisner,
> himself, engaged in conspiracy or deception. On
> the contrary, I've stated several times that I
> thought Reisner's "motives were pure" but
> that he simply applied an obsolete standard of
> proof and his peers swallowed it whole.

I am reasonable certain you originally characterized Reisner as perpetuating some kind of fraud even saying something to the effect he tried to "deceive the world" with his Hetepheres hypothesis. A forum search only goes back a year so it is what it is. Since then I cannot find you have "stated" as such, but it is clear you imply it:

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I've also read Lehner's excoriation of Reisner's decree in 1985 which clearly and neatly exposes Reisner's pure fabrication....

Such fabrication was necessary for Reisner to be able to keep the Egyptological narrative self-consistent....

...But, similar to Reisner, I know of no attempt by Engelbach to restrain others from making such leaps in logic. And I think Reisner's is the bigger transgression since he clearly was all-in on driving the hoax right at the start, unlike Engelbach who seemed to take a more passive stand to simply allow such claims to be made about the stele.
Here.

If one being "all-in on driving a hoax" is not a deliberate "deception" I am not sure what is particularly considering as you claim "Such fabrication was necessary for Reisner to be able to keep the Egyptological narrative self-consistent" which again sure sounds like some "conspiracy" to me.

Doing a search to quote you I have to say is intellectually nauseating: SEARCH

Again and again and again, more often than not completely out of context, you bring up Reisner's "fabrication" often in the same detail as some kind of smoking gun Egyptology is all some fraud and how a reevaluation using "modern standards of proof" is required as without it it's all just made up crap just like Reisner. Not to mention Engelbach and Stocks, the "trifecta" of exhibit A's of your Egyptological crimes against humanity. And this is just one year of searches. Don't you find this weird? Saying the same things over and over and over again? And this is but one example. How many times do you think you have written the words "modern standards of proof" and the like? Hundreds? Thousands? It's as bad as "musta used ramps" and "stinky footed bumpkins".

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"We already knew that the contents of the box had been gathered up from the original tomb [based on how it was found], and that the original tomb had been broken into by thieves [because it was now there]."

"The chipping of the upper edge of the coffin and the lower edge of the lid had been noted when the tomb was first opened [when Reisner and co opened it] and understood as proving that the coffin had been closed and opened again before deposition in the secret tomb [this is how they "understood" it]."

"I reached the conclusion that the deposit was a reburial brought here from another tomb...[Right or wrong we all come to "conclusions" i.e. "opinions" do we not?]"

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"In a preliminary statement I set forth the facts as known at that time and outlined the various possibilities arising from the known facts...I never doubted that the mummy was in the coffin [but as he notes later he was wrong]...In my preliminary statement I had mentioned every possibility except the one which lay patent before us. There was no mummy in the coffin. It had seemed to me inconceivable that Cheops should have ordered the remains of his mother's burial transferred to Giza and hidden under a hundred feet of masonry unless the body, the most essential part of any burial, had been brought along with the coffin."

Hardly the stuff of "hoaxes".

For convenience The Mysteries of Queen Hetepheres' Burial in Egypt
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Specifically, Mark Lehner, one of our best known modern Egyptologists, objects to Reisner's conclusions on a number of grounds. For example, he thinks that the robbers would have smashed the lid of the sarcophagus, as so often happened, rather than carefully lifting it off of the sarcophagus. Furthermore, it is difficult to believe that the robbers would have missed easily portable valuables such as the silver bracelets. Lehner also thinks that, were Hetepheres to have been buried originally at Dahshur, a theory for which there is really no evidence, the reburial should have taken place there as well. He also finds it difficult to believe that a shaft of such depth could have been dug secretly at Giza, and finally, he points out that it is hard to imagine Khufu knowingly allowing his mother to be reburied with broken pottery and violated funerary equipment.

Hence, Dr. Lehner has suggested an alternative theory for this tomb. He believes that Hetepheres died early in her son's reign, and was buried in this hastily dug shaft, similar in style to 3rd Dynasty tombs. He thinks that a superstructure was begun for the tomb, also in the style of the 3rd Dynasty, but was then abandoned when Khufu's cult was changed and the plan of the eastern field was modified because Khufu's upper temple would have interfered with it. Instead, he built the three small pyramids, referenced as G 1a, b and c. Dr. Lehner then believes that the queen's body was taken from G 7000x and reburied with new funerary equipment inside either G 1a or G 1b.

Dr. Lehner addressed and refuted Reisner's theory point by point, coming up with alternative explanations that fit his own theory. For example, he suggests that the basalt fragments found in the offering niche might be tools, and proposes that the limestone boulder might have been thrown into the niche to crush the skull and therefore invalidate the offering. He further suggests that the copper tools found in the burial chamber were left by the workmen who pried the lid from the sarcophagus to remove the body of the queen. On the grounds that the damage to the sarcophagus included chipping on the lid all the way around, he also believes that the sarcophagus could have easily been damaged in G 7000x.

But that's not all:

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Mark Lehner's good friend and old associate at Giza and now head of the Egyptian Supreme Council of Antiquities, Dr. Zahi Hawass, doubts both theories. He asks the questions, if Hetepheres were originally buried at Dahshur, then where is her first tomb, and how could her burial equipment been moved all the way from Dahshur to Giza in secret? If instead, G 7000x was her first burial, as Dr. Lehner suggests, then why was it left in such disorder? Indeed, he wonders why the queen mother would be buried in such haste, and why would Khufu's officials have needed a completely new set of funerary equipment? Most importantly, he wonders why the Queen's body would be reburied elsewhere, while leaving her canopic material behind?

Hence, Dr. Hawass presents yet another theory to this mystery. He believes that Hetepheres was originally buried in G 1a, the northernmost of the small pyramids. It was Dr. Lehner who pointed out that the portable canopy and furniture found in G 7000x would have fit almost perfectly into the burial chamber of G 1a, which makes more sense if it was originally designed to go there rather than placed hurriedly into G 7000x. But then, why would it have later been moved into G 7000x.

He explains that, during the First Intermediate Period there was a considerable amount of vandalism taking place on the Giza Plateau, and points out that evidence suggests that much of Khufu's complex was destroyed during this time. He therefore believes that Hetepheres' burial could have been disturbed at this time, and her body stolen by thieves looking for jewels. He thinks that it is possible that afterwards, priests connected to Khufu's cult might have moved what remained of her burial equipment to hide it from further pillagers. He suggests that, since the style of G 7000x points to a date in the 3rd Dynasty, or even the 2nd, is could have been dug much earlier and abandoned before Khufu's complex was even begun. Thus, the priest would have found and used this ancient shaft to protect what was left of the burial of this important queen.

Dr. Hawass also points out that this would explain the reversal of the objects suggested by Reisner, since it would be more reasonable for such a reversal to occur if the equipment were moved only a short distance, item by item. He thinks that the offerings were also moved, being damaged in the process, and that the basalt chips found with the offerings were more likely from the destroyed pavement of Khufu's upper temple, and the limestone debris was probably residue from his vandalized temples. Furthermore, he points to the lack of an official seal over the entrance to the shaft, which might account for a later burial.

To his credit, Dr. Hawass points out holes in his own theory, suggesting that his theory does not completely explain the queen's missing body. Likewise, he agrees with Dr. Lehner that robbers would be more likely to have broken the lid, and of course, there is the matter of various small objects that robbers would have likely have taken, including the jewelry box mentioned above.

Oops. Are they all just "necessary fabrications to be able to keep the Egyptological narrative self-consistent"?

Again, in conclusion, you make a mountain out of a molehill and the fact you bring up Reisner out of context ad nauseum as if it some kind of "proof" all should be doubted is more of a reflection on you than Reisner.

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Re: Focus on the axiom 417 Martin Stower 03-Jun-16 22:28
Re: Focus on the axiom 433 cladking 03-Jun-16 22:51
Re: Focus on the axiom 551 Thanos5150 04-Jun-16 01:08
Re: Focus on the axiom 438 Origyptian 05-Jun-16 01:25
Re: Focus on the axiom 487 Thanos5150 05-Jun-16 04:15
Re: Focus on the axiom 431 Origyptian 05-Jun-16 17:29
Re: Focus on the axiom 479 Martin Stower 05-Jun-16 19:35
Re: Focus on the axiom 489 Origyptian 05-Jun-16 22:48
Re: Focus on the axiom 412 Martin Stower 05-Jun-16 23:47
Re: Focus on the axiom 441 Origyptian 06-Jun-16 00:54
Re: Focus on the axiom 400 Origyptian 06-Jun-16 01:01
Re: Focus on the axiom 446 Thanos5150 06-Jun-16 01:05
Re: Focus on the axiom 421 Origyptian 06-Jun-16 02:40
Re: Focus on the axiom 446 R Avry Wilson 06-Jun-16 03:39
Re: Focus on the axiom 366 Audrey 06-Jun-16 04:59
Re: Focus on the axiom 381 Jon Ellison 06-Jun-16 07:59
Re: Focus on the axiom 383 Origyptian 06-Jun-16 14:00
Re: Focus on the axiom 448 cladking 06-Jun-16 16:13
Re: Focus on the axiom 401 Corpuscles 07-Jun-16 00:20
Re: Focus on the axiom 447 Origyptian 07-Jun-16 02:55
Re: Focus on the axiom 377 Thanos5150 06-Jun-16 15:33
Re: Focus on the axiom 326 Warwick 06-Jun-16 16:17
Re: Focus on the axiom 458 Audrey 06-Jun-16 16:39
Re: Focus on the axiom 450 Warwick 06-Jun-16 16:58
Re: Focus on the axiom 357 Audrey 06-Jun-16 17:46
Re: Focus on the axiom 396 Warwick 06-Jun-16 18:13
Re: Focus on the axiom 344 Audrey 06-Jun-16 23:44
Read what I wrote 343 Warwick 07-Jun-16 17:15
Re: Read what I wrote 378 Audrey 08-Jun-16 00:22
Re: Read what I wrote 370 Martin Stower 08-Jun-16 01:40
Re: Read what I wrote 536 Audrey 08-Jun-16 01:52
Re: Read what I wrote 396 Martin Stower 08-Jun-16 13:47
Vyse's veracity.... 397 Warwick 09-Jun-16 16:29
Re: Vyse's veracity.... 323 Audrey 09-Jun-16 16:51
Re: Vyse's veracity.... 418 Warwick 09-Jun-16 17:19
Re: Vyse's veracity.... 456 Audrey 09-Jun-16 17:45
Wilkinson's opinions 380 Warwick 09-Jun-16 18:47
Re: Wilkinson's opinions 387 Origyptian 09-Jun-16 20:57
Ori's opinions 530 DScribr 10-Jun-16 01:45
Re: The incredible Teflon Red Ochre 378 Thunderbird 10-Jun-16 04:07
Re: The incredible Teflon Red Ochre 496 Martin Stower 10-Jun-16 14:49
Re: The incredible Red Ochre lasted 4500 yrs. 418 DScribr 11-Jun-16 00:40
Re: Wilkinson's opinions 336 Martin Stower 10-Jun-16 02:28
Re: Wilkinson's opinions 337 Audrey 10-Jun-16 03:05
Re: Wilkinson's opinions 454 Martin Stower 10-Jun-16 14:09
Bibliography 391 Warwick 10-Jun-16 18:07
Re: Bibliography 404 Origyptian 10-Jun-16 18:35
Re: Bibliography 401 Warwick 10-Jun-16 20:01
Re: Bibliography 452 Origyptian 10-Jun-16 21:54
Re: Bibliography 468 Corpuscles 10-Jun-16 23:45
Re: Bibliography 292 Origyptian 11-Jun-16 17:01
Re: Bibliography 414 Corpuscles 11-Jun-16 22:36
Re: Bibliography 381 Audrey 11-Jun-16 23:08
Re: Bibliography 392 Corpuscles 11-Jun-16 23:26
Re: Bibliography 314 Audrey 12-Jun-16 02:30
Re: Bibliography 363 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 03:19
Re: Bibliography 305 Audrey 12-Jun-16 03:32
Re: Bibliography 338 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 03:40
Re: Bibliography 339 Audrey 12-Jun-16 03:50
Re: Bibliography 322 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 04:30
Re: Bibliography 302 Audrey 12-Jun-16 04:47
Re: Bibliography 295 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 05:02
Re: Bibliography 427 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 10:49
Re: Bibliography 388 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 15:56
Re: Bibliography 315 R Avry Wilson 12-Jun-16 17:41
But Avry.. 358 Warwick 12-Jun-16 17:58
Re: But Avry.. 429 R Avry Wilson 12-Jun-16 18:14
Re: But Avry.. 388 Audrey 12-Jun-16 18:37
Re: But Avry.. 402 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 20:15
Re: But Avry.. 410 Audrey 12-Jun-16 18:44
Re: But Avry.. 373 Warwick 12-Jun-16 18:59
Re: But Avry.. 369 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 20:11
This whole discussion is a boondoggle 424 DScribr 13-Jun-16 01:04
Re: This whole discussion is a boondoggle 405 Warwick 13-Jun-16 16:24
Re: Bibliography 287 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 10:28
Re: Bibliography 372 Origyptian 11-Jun-16 23:35
Re: Bibliography 407 Corpuscles 11-Jun-16 23:58
Re: Bibliography 380 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 00:48
Re: Bibliography 417 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 01:13
Re: Bibliography 446 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 01:33
Re: Bibliography 446 Martin Stower 11-Jun-16 02:05
Re: Bibliography 434 Origyptian 11-Jun-16 18:09
Re: Bibliography 420 Martin Stower 11-Jun-16 19:22
Re: Bibliography 366 Origyptian 11-Jun-16 19:56
Re: Bibliography 294 Martin Stower 11-Jun-16 20:47
Re: Bibliography 405 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 00:03
Re: Bibliography 400 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 00:22
Re: Bibliography 298 Audrey 12-Jun-16 01:58
Re: Bibliography 423 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 02:24
Re: Bibliography 347 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 12:23
Re: Bibliography 362 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 14:50
Re: Bibliography 366 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 16:46
Re: Bibliography 286 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 00:10
Re: Bibliography 404 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 00:18
Re: Bibliography 389 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 00:35
Re: Bibliography 426 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 00:39
Re: Bibliography 352 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 01:23
Re: Bibliography 353 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 02:18
Re: Bibliography 303 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 13:55
Re: Bibliography 360 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 15:45
Re: Bibliography 400 R Avry Wilson 12-Jun-16 17:32
Re: Bibliography 333 Warwick 12-Jun-16 17:41
Re: Bibliography 397 R Avry Wilson 12-Jun-16 18:08
Re: Bibliography 378 Audrey 12-Jun-16 18:48
Re: Bibliography 386 Audrey 12-Jun-16 18:35
Re: Bibliography 338 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 19:09
Gonna ignore the noise and try again 379 Warwick 12-Jun-16 19:53
Re: Gonna ignore the noise and try again 390 Thunderbird 12-Jun-16 20:18
Re: Gonna ignore the noise and try again 358 Audrey 12-Jun-16 21:04