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Pete Vanderzwet Wrote:
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> While it is indeed true that there are no formal
> inscriptions in the pyramid of Khufu, the same can
> be said for nearly every other pyramid prior to
> the end of the Old Kingdom.
>
> The Pyramid of Djoser: Relief in burial chamber,
> but unique complex.
> The Pyramid of Sekhemkhet: No inscriptions.
> The Pyramid of Khaba (Layer Pyramid): No
> inscriptions.
> Lepsius Pyramid: No inscriptions (sure wish it
> did, its a very intriguing monument)
> The Pyramid of Meidum: No inscriptions.
> The Pyramid of Seila: No inscriptions.
> The Pyramid of Zawiyet el-Meiyitin: No
> inscriptions.
> The Pyramid of Sinki: No inscriptions.
> The Pyramid of Naqada: No inscriptions.
> The Pyramid of Kula: No inscriptions.
> The Pyramid of Edfu: No inscriptions.
> The Pyramid of Elephantine: No inscriptions.
> The Bent Pyramid: No inscriptions.
> The Red Pyramid: No inscriptions.
> The Pyramid of Khufu: No inscriptions.
> The Pyramid of Djedefre: No inscriptions.
> The Pyramid of Khafre: No inscriptions.
> The Pyramid of Baka: No inscriptions.
> The Pyramid of Menkaure: No inscriptions.
> The Pyramid of Userkaf: No inscriptions.
> The Pyramid of Sahure: No inscriptions.
> The Pyramid of Neferirkare: No inscriptions.
> The Pyramid of Neferefre: No inscriptions.
> The Pyramid of Niuserre: No inscriptions.
> The Pyramid of Lepsis 24: No inscriptions (quarry
> marks naming Ptahshepses were found, dating the
> pyramid to Niuserre, under whom Ptahshepses served
> as vizier)
> The Pyramid of Menkauhor (Headless Pyramid @
> Saqqara North): No inscriptions.
> The Pyramid of Djedkare: No inscriptions (despite
> Maspero's efforts).
> The Pyramid of Unas: Inscriptions (YAY!!)
> The Pyramid of Teti: Inscriptions.
> The Pyramid of Pepi I: Inscriptions.
> The Pyramid of Merenre I: Evidence of Inscriptions
> (Pyramid Texts in rubble).
> The Pyramid of Pepi II: Inscriptions.

Considering the argument is that the great pyramids Meidum, Bent, Red, G1, G2, G3 lie outside the purview of the others we can remove these from the list first as it is those that we compare the others to. We would also remove Djoser's because regardless of its "uniqueness", it does have many inscriptions, which is telling.

We would also want to separate the pyramids beginning with Unas as the Pyramid Texts are first found here which after funerary inscriptions are common. Obviously there was a profound change in ideology at this time. We also need to eliminate all of the southern pyramids simply because they do not even have burial chambers making it obvious they were not meant to be tombs. Pyramids not tombs? Weird.

Then we can remove all of the unfinished pyramids as there is no reason to believe if they didn't even finish the pyramids and bury the person it would have funerary inscriptions. We can also eliminate Lepsius 24 as this is just another name for the Pyramid of Menkauhor which in any regard is unknown to have been completed regardless. We can also remove Lepsius XXV (the Double Pyramid) as recent excavations have challenged if it was ever even a pyramid or if it was ever completed.

> The Pyramid of Userkaf: No inscriptions.
> The Pyramid of Sahure: No inscriptions.
> The Pyramid of Neferirkare: No inscriptions.
> The Pyramid of Niuserre: No inscriptions.
> marks naming Ptahshepses were found, dating the
> pyramid to Niuserre, under whom Ptahshepses served
> as vizier)
> The Pyramid of Djedkare: No inscriptions (despite
> Maspero's efforts).

What we are left with in reality are 5 comparable pyramids, not the original whopping 31 as suggested by Pete who basically made a list of all the pyramids before it became common place to decorate the interiors but conveniently omitting from the reader, I assume he knew, that several did not even have any burial chambers at all let alone most were never even finished. "Ignorant" indeed.

Pyramid of Userkaf:


Userkaf is labeled as the founder of the 5th Dynasty which his pyramid is a clear departure of those that came before. His predecessor, Shepseskaf son of Menkaure, didn't even build a pyramid, but rather is credited with building a large mastaba (Mastaba Fara'un) at Saqqara which originally was thought to belong to Unas, the guy who also owns the pyramid of Unas. How could a pyramid builder also have a mastaba? Anyways, this mastaba was later credited to Shepseskaf because of an MK stele that appeared to indicate a cult of Shepseskaf was active at this time though otherwise the interior of the mastaba is completely bare and though assumed is unknown who if anyone was ever buried there.

For some unknown reason Userkaf choose to build his pyramid, also at Saqqara, as close to Djoser's as possible. No inscriptions of any kind and only fragments were found of his sarcophagus which sported a beveled lid. It is interesting that Djedefre, Khufu's own son did not build a pyramid at Giza nor did Menkaure's son nor any pharaoh after this time with except for Djedefre, if he even built the structure in the first place which is unlikely, most favored Saqqara or nearby Abusir. Why no love for Giza?

Pyramid of Sahure:

Poorly constructed using rubble fill between blocks. Fragments of a basalt sarcophagus were found, otherwise nothing. Sahure's temples, however, are fully adorned with relief which included representations of Sahure participating in the Sed Festival despite the fact he supposedly only ruled approximately 12yrs and not the customary 30. Also interesting is a panel from one of the temples depicts stars similar to what is found inside the pyramid of Unas.

Overall, the temples of Sahure, similar to those of Sneferu, are what would be expected from temples dedicated to a funerary monument which as noted are comparatively lacking from the megalithic temples of Giza.

Pyramid of Neferirkare:

Not completed during the pharaohs reign but supposedly finished by his son, Neferefre. It was originally planned as a stepped pyramid and was later at some point converted into a true pyramid. Completely empty, no sarcophagus.

Pyramid of Niuserre:

Despite ruling only a few decades after, Niuserre is said to have pilfered stone from Sahure's complex to build his own. Rather rude, but an example of one pharaoh stealing from another's within decades after he was supposedly buried in his pyramid. He also built his pyramid in such a way to usurp the causeway and valley temple of his own father, Neferirkare. Many reliefs found from his temples, including the Sed Festival, but I can find no evidence of a sarcophagus being found.

Pyramid of Djedkare:

Stepped pyramid. Remains of sarcophagus. Evidence suggest the temples were adorned in relief.

Hardly the "damning" evidence against the idea the great pyramids were not originally meant to be tombs which these pyramids raise many questions of their own. In the 5th Dynasty Giza was immediately abandoned in favor of Saqqara and Abusir which represented a clear cultural shift. Even Menkaure's own son did not build a pyramid at Giza let alone a pyramid at all. While the chambers of these 5th Dynasty pyramids, namely their gabled roofs, did employ surprisingly large blocks as well as chamber walls and passages of granite, they are otherwise very poorly constructed made up of small blocks filled with rubble and sand. Despite this, their temples are exemplary examples of not only construction utilizing beautiful palmiform granite columns but also the required funerary traditions of being elaborately adorned with relief as were the temples of Sneferu and likely Khufu. Though obviously this changed in the time of Unas at the end of the 5th Dynasty, the pyramids noted above between this time and Giza are also empty of such funerary dedication on their interiors exactly the opposite of what was required by their religion if in fact they were built as tombs.

Quoting Mark Lehner:
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Dieter Arnold, among others, doubts whether the pyramid temples and causeways were in fact used in the royal funerary ceremony. One argument is that the rooms and doorways seem to small for the passage of the funeral. From the mortuary temple the body and grave goods had to be taken into the pyramid court and round the north side of the pyramid to be carried into the burial chamber. In the standard pyramid temples of the 5th and 6th dynasties the exit of the pyramid court was at one end of the traverse hall separating the front from the inner temple. Its doorways seem to narrow to allow the funeral to pass through. In Djoser's step pyramid complex, the route from the entrance hall through the mortuary temple and down to the burial vault is just too narrow. Arnold therefore thinks that the funeral rituals would have been conducted outside the pyramid complex in light structures and the royal body conveyed into the pyramid court by means of a side entrance.

To summarize, Arnold is saying that the mortuary temples were basically useless as once the mortuary temple was entered the exits and passages were too small for the funerary procession to continue into the pyramid complex. To explain this, poorly I might add, Arnold suggests they built temporary "light structures for this purpose and entered the pyramid complex, i.e. the enclosure wall, from another entrance. As we know, the mortuary temples abut the enclosure wall which often is incorporated into the back wall or sides of the temple itself.

Also to be noted is that the mortuary temples are not on the side the entrances are on. Another thing to consider is that G1 for example, the entrance is dozens of feet above ground level and at the time of death supposedly faced smooth with casing stones meaning temporary scaffolding of some sort would have to have been built to haul the dead king up the side just to get to the entrance. In the case of G1:


The pharaoh's body would have been hauled up the side to the entrance, dragged down the 3.6ft x 3.11ft descending passage then hauled up the equally narrow ascending passage to the grand gallery. Then lifted up the great step to the portcullis system and down the narrow shaft to the King's Chamber. The pall bearers then close the portcullis system behind them, drop the granite plugs at the end of the grand gallery, then go to the well shaft and climb down into the subterranean chamber then out the pyramid and close the entrance. Sounds reasonable enough....

Anyways, to continue with Lehner:
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If the mortuary temple was not the stage for the royal funeral, what did it represent? At least one of its aspects was as the king's eternal residence, its parts corresponding broadly to the palace of his lifetime. Indeed, it has the same basic principles as large houses known from the archeological record: enclosure wall; vestibule; a central meeting place in the form of a pillared hall or open court; a platform for the head of the house to receive visitors; private rooms. The innermost room, the offering hall, corresponded generally to the royal dining room. Behind the false door where offerings were placed, lay the magazines, ante chamber and burial chamber under the pyramid, corresponding to the inner foyer and bedroom. The Pyramid texts identify the burial chamber as the Per Duat, an allusion to the Netherworld, but also to the Per Duat, "House of the Morning" or "Toilet House" of the palace, where the pharaoh was bathed anointed and dressed.

So, above we note that the funerary procession isn't getting out of the mortuary temple and for it to work to be buried in the pyramid they had to go around it all together and get in some side entrance through the enclosure wall. What Lehner is suggesting here is that the mortuary temple was in fact meant to be the pharaoh's palace, a "house of the dead", which is the exact function of a mastaba. This would further explain the need for the temples to be covered in commemorative funerary reliefs though the PT makes it clear the actual funerary rites were required in the burial chamber itself which as we know are not to be found in the great pyramids including the others noted above from the 5th Dynasty. Also of note, is the reason a person's name was inscribed on their sarcophagus was so that their spirit could find it when it came time at the end of each day to go back to it so they could be reborn with the new sun in the morning. A sarcophagus without inscription is basically worthless to the dead. Without it its just a box to put dead bodies in. Not cool.

I find this part of what Lehner says abit of a stretch:
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Behind the false door where offerings were placed, lay the magazines, ante chamber and burial chamber under the pyramid, corresponding to the inner foyer and bedroom. The Pyramid texts identify the burial chamber as the Per Duat, an allusion to the Netherworld, but also to the Per Duat, "House of the Morning" or "Toilet House" of the palace, where the pharaoh was bathed anointed and dressed.

I find no practical way to physically associate the "bedroom of the king", part of his palace, to the inner chambers of particularly the great pyramids not to mention that if so this "bedroom", as required by the PT, is the particular place that needed the funerary rites to be written and his sarcophagus would have his name on it. Logistically it makes no sense in relation to the location of the mortuary temple which makes me wonder-if the mortuary temple is in fact the king's palace, his "house of the dead" like the mastaba; is it here where the pharaoh was to be actually buried? I am reminded of Herodotus who says that Khufu was not buried inside G1 but rather under the plateau. Is the reason why the chambers of these pyramid are devoid of the required funerary inscription because, in fact, they were not buried there, but possibly underneath or near the mortuary temple itself?

I'm just spitballing here, and am not saying I believe what I am saying mind you, but this leaves the question-if the AE believed the pyramids were in fact resurrection machines, even tombs, the question if not for the pharaoh, or the people at large as I have pondered, for who? The pyramid is suggested to emulate the rays of the sun. During the 4th Dynasty in particular, RA/RE the god of the sun, became the principal deity and the god of the pharaoh himself so much so that the royal signet changed from the serekh to the cartouche of which RA was part and parcel. This in and of itself was a radical shift in ideology. Pharaoh=RA. Is it possible the pyramid was not built to resurrect the pharaoh, but rather RA himself? The sun? If the pharaoh and RA were connected how could the pharaoh be resurrected if RA was not guaranteed to be as well? Funerary rituals certainly apply to people, but to RA? Is this why they are devoid of inscription as the pyramid itself is the "ritual? Which to my more brave alternative friends here, the question further would be why would they believe a pyramid, whose humble beginnings may have been the Ben Ben stone, could accomplish such a thing?



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Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 566 Origyptian 02-Mar-16 13:44
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 612 Martin Stower 02-Mar-16 14:22
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 637 Origyptian 02-Mar-16 17:11
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 633 Jon Ellison 02-Mar-16 17:40
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 517 Origyptian 02-Mar-16 17:53
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 591 Martin Stower 02-Mar-16 18:46
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 579 Thanos5150 02-Mar-16 23:36
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 629 Martin Stower 02-Mar-16 18:27
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 648 Jon Ellison 02-Mar-16 18:52
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 581 Martin Stower 02-Mar-16 19:03
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 596 Jon Ellison 02-Mar-16 19:12
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 503 Corpuscles 02-Mar-16 19:28
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 601 Martin Stower 02-Mar-16 19:28
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 504 Jon Ellison 02-Mar-16 19:33
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 500 Corpuscles 02-Mar-16 19:46
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 595 Jon Ellison 02-Mar-16 19:55
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 669 R Avry Wilson 02-Mar-16 20:30
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 565 Jon Ellison 02-Mar-16 20:47
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 652 Origyptian 02-Mar-16 21:32
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 598 Jon Ellison 02-Mar-16 21:56
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 583 Origyptian 02-Mar-16 22:08
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 613 Jon Ellison 02-Mar-16 22:26
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 608 Origyptian 02-Mar-16 22:31
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 583 Jon Ellison 02-Mar-16 22:38
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 643 Jon Ellison 02-Mar-16 23:46
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 621 Martin Stower 03-Mar-16 23:25
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 687 Audrey 04-Mar-16 01:28
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 573 Thunderbird 04-Mar-16 02:15
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 547 Audrey 04-Mar-16 03:00
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 638 Thunderbird 04-Mar-16 04:49
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 737 Audrey 04-Mar-16 05:37
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 569 Corpuscles 04-Mar-16 07:02
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 607 Martin Stower 04-Mar-16 21:34
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 723 Martin Stower 04-Mar-16 13:15
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 663 Origyptian 05-Mar-16 21:24
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 657 Thunderbird 05-Mar-16 22:10
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 815 Origyptian 06-Mar-16 05:54
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 639 Corpuscles 06-Mar-16 08:54
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 636 DUNE 06-Mar-16 12:37
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 559 Martin Stower 06-Mar-16 14:17
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 529 Corpuscles 06-Mar-16 18:53
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 664 Origyptian 06-Mar-16 17:47
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 442 Corpuscles 06-Mar-16 19:06
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 647 Martin Stower 06-Mar-16 19:29
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 654 Corpuscles 06-Mar-16 19:41
Leghorn 563 loveritas 06-Mar-16 20:54
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 760 Martin Stower 06-Mar-16 21:32
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 563 Origyptian 07-Mar-16 16:44
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 556 Origyptian 07-Mar-16 04:34
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 497 Martin Stower 07-Mar-16 11:25
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 552 Martin Stower 06-Mar-16 21:24
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 600 Corpuscles 06-Mar-16 22:52
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 482 Martin Stower 07-Mar-16 00:32
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 672 Corpuscles 07-Mar-16 12:27
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 551 Origyptian 07-Mar-16 14:35
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 604 Martin Stower 07-Mar-16 17:03
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 547 Corpuscles 07-Mar-16 20:55
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 644 Martin Stower 07-Mar-16 22:56
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 473 Corpuscles 09-Mar-16 22:07
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 625 Martin Stower 10-Mar-16 00:17
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 583 R Avry Wilson 10-Mar-16 01:07
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 739 Corpuscles 10-Mar-16 04:40
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 680 Origyptian 11-Mar-16 21:09
Re: Troubling issues concerning Vyse and others 766 Thunderbird 16-Mar-16 21:44
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 450 Origyptian 07-Mar-16 16:11
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 629 Merrell 06-Mar-16 21:42
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 638 Martin Stower 08-Mar-16 21:53
Re: Caviglias complaint .....letters 545 Thunderbird 06-Mar-16 23:14
Re: Menkaure find property of the Pasha....no mention of coffer in Vyse lists. 604 Martin Stower 06-Mar-16 00:19
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 653 Martin Stower 04-Mar-16 03:17
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 593 Audrey 04-Mar-16 04:26
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 596 Martin Stower 04-Mar-16 15:22
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 531 Origyptian 02-Mar-16 21:18
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 525 Jon Ellison 02-Mar-16 21:31
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 489 R Avry Wilson 02-Mar-16 23:33
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 458 Jon Ellison 02-Mar-16 23:42
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 473 R Avry Wilson 02-Mar-16 23:30
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 543 Origyptian 03-Mar-16 03:22
Timing 687 Martin Stower 03-Mar-16 00:57
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 580 Origyptian 02-Mar-16 19:32
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 607 Martin Stower 02-Mar-16 20:06
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 566 Jon Ellison 02-Mar-16 20:21
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 527 Origyptian 02-Mar-16 20:38
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 543 Martin Stower 02-Mar-16 22:43
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 472 Jon Ellison 02-Mar-16 23:39
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 570 Corpuscles 03-Mar-16 00:37
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 543 Martin Stower 03-Mar-16 01:21
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 519 Jon Ellison 03-Mar-16 01:42
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 608 Martin Stower 03-Mar-16 02:01
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 576 Jon Ellison 03-Mar-16 02:12
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 520 Martin Stower 03-Mar-16 02:31
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 551 randompHactor 02-Mar-16 18:34
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 505 Martin Stower 02-Mar-16 18:49
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 425 DScribr 10-Nov-16 02:36
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 418 Origyptian 10-Nov-16 04:34
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 373 DScribr 10-Nov-16 13:46
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 412 Origyptian 10-Nov-16 17:14
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 387 Warwick 10-Nov-16 17:49
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 454 Origyptian 10-Nov-16 17:56
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 314 Warwick 10-Nov-16 18:10
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 462 Origyptian 10-Nov-16 18:15
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 352 Warwick 10-Nov-16 19:04
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 391 Origyptian 10-Nov-16 19:25
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 428 DScribr 10-Nov-16 19:29
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 464 Martin Stower 13-Nov-16 14:47
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 541 Merrell 28-Feb-16 11:54
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 647 Martin Stower 28-Feb-16 12:32
A Fool? 765 Barbelo 28-Feb-16 12:11
Re: A Fool? 679 Origyptian 28-Feb-16 13:11
Re: A Fool? 595 Martin Stower 28-Feb-16 14:48
Re: A Fool? 605 Origyptian 28-Feb-16 14:57
Re: A Fool? 643 Martin Stower 28-Feb-16 15:17
Re: A Fool? 636 Origyptian 28-Feb-16 15:26
Re: A Fool? 548 Martin Stower 28-Feb-16 15:47
Re: A Fool? 521 Origyptian 28-Feb-16 16:21
Re: A Fool? 573 Martin Stower 28-Feb-16 17:48
Re: A Fool? 559 Origyptian 28-Feb-16 20:26
Re: A Fool? 704 Martin Stower 28-Feb-16 22:03
Foolishness or Hypocrisy 676 Barbelo 29-Feb-16 11:44
Re: Foolishness or Hypocrisy 635 Origyptian 29-Feb-16 14:43
Mod note 574 Loki74 29-Feb-16 15:54
Re: A Fool? 612 Martin Stower 28-Feb-16 14:06
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 531 Merrell 28-Feb-16 11:33
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 615 Martin Stower 28-Feb-16 00:56
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 611 Origyptian 28-Feb-16 04:34
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 521 Martin Stower 28-Feb-16 15:36
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 639 Origyptian 28-Feb-16 16:11
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 648 Martin Stower 28-Feb-16 16:50
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 441 Origyptian 28-Feb-16 17:01
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 525 Martin Stower 28-Feb-16 17:59
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 536 Merrell 28-Feb-16 17:23
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 578 Origyptian 28-Feb-16 04:02
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 573 Merrell 28-Feb-16 10:30
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 634 Origyptian 28-Feb-16 13:06
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 602 Martin Stower 28-Feb-16 16:20
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 559 Origyptian 28-Feb-16 16:58
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 538 Martin Stower 28-Feb-16 17:52
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 476 Martin Stower 28-Feb-16 01:45
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 565 Origyptian 28-Feb-16 04:46
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 537 Martin Stower 28-Feb-16 14:33
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 578 Origyptian 28-Feb-16 14:52
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 529 Martin Stower 28-Feb-16 15:13
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 580 Origyptian 28-Feb-16 15:33
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 530 Martin Stower 28-Feb-16 16:01
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 532 Origyptian 28-Feb-16 16:31
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 493 Martin Stower 28-Feb-16 18:05
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 640 Corpuscles 27-Feb-16 07:23
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 653 Origyptian 27-Feb-16 18:11
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 696 Audrey 27-Feb-16 18:57
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 585 Corpuscles 27-Feb-16 19:35
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 653 Audrey 27-Feb-16 19:54
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 670 Corpuscles 27-Feb-16 20:33
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 595 Origyptian 27-Feb-16 22:10
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 689 Martin Stower 28-Feb-16 00:40
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 613 Origyptian 28-Feb-16 04:14
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 463 Martin Stower 28-Feb-16 15:03
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 579 Origyptian 28-Feb-16 15:41
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 574 Martin Stower 28-Feb-16 16:07
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 532 Origyptian 28-Feb-16 16:32
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 573 Merrell 27-Feb-16 11:16
Moderator Caution 724 JonnyMcA 25-Feb-16 09:43
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 637 Corpuscles 17-Feb-16 22:19
OT 713 R Avry Wilson 17-Feb-16 23:38
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 747 cladking 17-Feb-16 04:10
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 758 Audrey 17-Feb-16 05:37
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 652 cladking 17-Feb-16 06:13
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 682 Juha 17-Feb-16 09:54
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 632 cladking 17-Feb-16 15:33
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 571 R Avry Wilson 17-Feb-16 23:16
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 593 cladking 18-Feb-16 00:25
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 699 drrayeye 17-Feb-16 20:15
posting perspectives/styles 665 R Avry Wilson 17-Feb-16 23:13
Re: posting perspectives/styles 702 cladking 18-Feb-16 00:34
Re: posting perspectives/styles 705 drrayeye 18-Feb-16 15:12
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 670 Origyptian 17-Feb-16 22:07
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 630 R Avry Wilson 17-Feb-16 23:23
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids Used As Tombs II 639 Thanos5150 18-Feb-16 05:29
LACK OF INSCRIPTIONS IN GREAT PYRAMID 718 Pete Vanderzwet 18-Feb-16 17:53
Re: LACK OF INSCRIPTIONS IN GREAT PYRAMID 637 Jon Ellison 18-Feb-16 18:04
Re: LACK OF INSCRIPTIONS IN GREAT PYRAMID 667 Pete Vanderzwet 18-Feb-16 18:15
Re: LACK OF INSCRIPTIONS IN GREAT PYRAMID 658 Origyptian 18-Feb-16 18:21
Re: LACK OF INSCRIPTIONS IN GREAT PYRAMID 630 Pete Vanderzwet 18-Feb-16 23:06
Re: LACK OF INSCRIPTIONS IN GREAT PYRAMID 746 Origyptian 19-Feb-16 00:12
Re: LACK OF INSCRIPTIONS IN GREAT PYRAMID 575 Pete Vanderzwet 19-Feb-16 05:25
Re: LACK OF INSCRIPTIONS IN GREAT PYRAMID 758 eyeofhorus33 18-Feb-16 18:09
Re: LACK OF INSCRIPTIONS IN GREAT PYRAMID 662 Origyptian 18-Feb-16 18:10
Re: LACK OF INSCRIPTIONS IN GREAT PYRAMID 685 Pete Vanderzwet 18-Feb-16 18:19
Re: LACK OF INSCRIPTIONS IN GREAT PYRAMID 663 Origyptian 18-Feb-16 18:23
Re: LACK OF INSCRIPTIONS IN GREAT PYRAMID 594 Pete Vanderzwet 18-Feb-16 23:01
Re: LACK OF INSCRIPTIONS IN GREAT PYRAMID 579 Origyptian 19-Feb-16 00:06
Re: LACK OF INSCRIPTIONS IN GREAT PYRAMID 601 Pete Vanderzwet 19-Feb-16 05:28
Re: LACK OF INSCRIPTIONS IN GREAT PYRAMID 678 Origyptian 19-Feb-16 14:45
Re: LACK OF INSCRIPTIONS IN GREAT PYRAMID 612 Pete Vanderzwet 19-Feb-16 17:19
Re: LACK OF INSCRIPTIONS IN GREAT PYRAMID 608 Origyptian 19-Feb-16 17:40
Re: LACK OF INSCRIPTIONS IN GREAT PYRAMID 664 cladking 18-Feb-16 20:27
Re: LACK OF INSCRIPTIONS IN GREAT PYRAMID 694 Corpuscles 18-Feb-16 20:32
Re: LACK OF INSCRIPTIONS IN GREAT PYRAMID 769 Pete Vanderzwet 18-Feb-16 23:04
Re: LACK OF INSCRIPTIONS IN GREAT PYRAMID 584 Origyptian 19-Feb-16 00:08
Re: LACK OF INSCRIPTIONS IN GREAT PYRAMID 719 Pete Vanderzwet 19-Feb-16 05:34
Re: LACK OF INSCRIPTIONS IN GREAT PYRAMID 531 Origyptian 19-Feb-16 14:48
Re: LACK OF INSCRIPTIONS IN GREAT PYRAMID 646 Pete Vanderzwet 19-Feb-16 17:18
Re: LACK OF INSCRIPTIONS IN GREAT PYRAMID 879 Origyptian 19-Feb-16 17:39
Re: LACK OF INSCRIPTIONS IN GREAT PYRAMID 648 Martin Stower 19-Feb-16 16:16
Re: LACK OF INSCRIPTIONS IN GREAT PYRAMID/ FUNCTION OF MORTUARY TEMPLE 1715 Thanos5150 21-Feb-16 06:05
Re: LACK OF INSCRIPTIONS IN GREAT PYRAMID/ FUNCTION OF MORTUARY TEMPLE 703 cladking 21-Feb-16 15:47
Re: LACK OF INSCRIPTIONS IN GREAT PYRAMID 589 Origyptian 09-Mar-16 22:29
Re: LACK OF INSCRIPTIONS IN GREAT PYRAMID 603 Thanos5150 10-Mar-16 03:33
Part I 772 Thanos5150 20-Feb-16 02:28
Re: Part II 1177 Thanos5150 20-Feb-16 02:31
Re: Part III 646 Thanos5150 20-Feb-16 02:34
Re: Part IV 748 Thanos5150 20-Feb-16 02:36
Re: Part V 635 Thanos5150 20-Feb-16 02:38
Re: Part V 645 Audrey 20-Feb-16 06:57
Re: Part V 714 Corpuscles 20-Feb-16 07:35
Re: Part V 711 Martin Stower 20-Feb-16 14:40
Re: Part V 634 R Avry Wilson 20-Feb-16 19:59
A Prophecy 678 loveritas 03-Mar-16 06:57
Re: A Prophecy 615 Origyptian 03-Mar-16 17:30
Re: A Prophecy 551 Martin Stower 03-Mar-16 22:20
Re: A Prophecy 532 Audrey 04-Mar-16 01:06
Re: A Prophecy 495 Corpuscles 04-Mar-16 02:09
Re: A Prophecy 573 Audrey 04-Mar-16 03:07
Re: Part V 660 cladking 20-Feb-16 15:47
Re: Part V 815 Pete Vanderzwet 21-Feb-16 01:26
Re: Did Alford kick your dog ......lol 680 Thunderbird 20-Feb-16 16:52
Re: Strange features on the Giza plateau 582 Thunderbird 20-Feb-16 17:52
Re: Strange features on the Giza plateau 652 Thanos5150 21-Feb-16 06:34
Re: Part I 710 R Avry Wilson 20-Feb-16 09:30
Re: Part I 630 Corpuscles 20-Feb-16 20:09
Re: Part I 859 Thanos5150 20-Feb-16 22:14
Re: Part I 643 R Avry Wilson 20-Feb-16 22:31
Re: Part I 690 Thanos5150 21-Feb-16 00:33
Re: Part I 622 Audrey 21-Feb-16 02:02
Re: Part I 614 Merrell 21-Feb-16 09:00
Re: Part I 695 R Avry Wilson 21-Feb-16 14:21
Re: Part I 808 Thanos5150 21-Feb-16 18:19
Re: Part I 624 Corpuscles 21-Feb-16 19:22
Hear, hear. n/t 665 cladking 21-Feb-16 19:50
Re: Part I 726 R Avry Wilson 21-Feb-16 22:48
Re: Part I 614 Thanos5150 21-Feb-16 23:13
Re: Part I 620 Corpuscles 22-Feb-16 20:49
Re: Part I 667 cladking 20-Feb-16 22:58
Re: Part I 663 Brian Patterson 20-Feb-16 23:07
Re: Part I 662 cladking 21-Feb-16 00:49
Re: Part I 688 Pete Vanderzwet 21-Feb-16 14:28
Re: Part I 661 cladking 21-Feb-16 14:53
Re: Part I 706 R Avry Wilson 21-Feb-16 15:11
Homo Omnisciencis 661 cladking 21-Feb-16 16:06
Re: Homo Omnisciencis 779 Origyptian 21-Feb-16 16:22
Re: Homo Omnisciencis 679 cladking 21-Feb-16 16:37
Re: Homo Omnisciencis 656 Origyptian 21-Feb-16 17:03
Re: Homo Omnisciencis 645 cladking 21-Feb-16 19:39
Re: Part I 622 Origyptian 21-Feb-16 15:57
Re: Part I 611 cladking 21-Feb-16 16:24
Re: Part I 649 Origyptian 21-Feb-16 17:10
Re: Part I 686 cladking 21-Feb-16 20:00
Re: Part I 707 Pete Vanderzwet 25-Feb-16 03:23
Re: Part I 646 cladking 25-Feb-16 03:40
Re: Part I 642 Origyptian 25-Feb-16 05:44
Re: Part I 695 Jon Ellison 25-Feb-16 10:13
Re: Part I 672 cladking 25-Feb-16 14:32
Re: Part I 666 Origyptian 25-Feb-16 14:47
Re: Part I 771 Aine 25-Feb-16 15:48
Re: Part I 686 Origyptian 25-Feb-16 16:03
Re: Part I 682 cladking