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R Avry Wilson Wrote:
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> Origyptian Wrote:
>
> > And unfortunately for the traditionalists,
> > many such "conjectures" were presented and
> > accepted as fact and became an integral part of
> > the "context" on which you and other
> > traditionalists seem to rely so much as the basis
> > of the major tenets of the discipline. It's
> > circular logic which doesn't hold up under scrutiny.
>
>
> Yes, however, this is a far cry from labeling
> these indiscretions as deliberate hoaxes.
> Well wouldn't that be just great!

As far as I'm concerned, Reisner's ruse about Hetepheres was indeed pure unadulterated hoax. He had zero basis for making his claim and was too intelligent to not realize he was not at all relying on evidence but rather was carfefully using the "confidence of his claim" to stack the deck of credibility in his favor. I don't even recall him giving any credit to his team for making the discovery; the credit has traditionally been attributed to him with only a relatively rare mention that he actually was in the USA when the accidental discovery was made by his photographer at Giza. Sorry, it's just my read of the event.

    [EDIT, June 5, 2016: In retrospect, I neglected to consider that my use of "ruse" and "hoax" in this post characterizes Reisner's speculation as being intended to fool people rather than simply being incorrect. This was not my intention, and as a result, I retracted that unintended characterization a few posts farther down. In my other 117 posts (as of this edit) where I mention Reisner, I have never accused him of any sinister wrongdoing. Rather, I have characterized his speculation as a "fabrication" in the sense that he made it up and it was untrue but not intended to deceive (since he truly believed it to be fact), as also acknowledged by both Lehner and Edwards. Meanwhile, my only significant criticism of Reisner's work continues to be that he applied a low standard of proof that was acceptable in his day and, as a result, his speculation of the tomb of Hetepheres was both presented and interpreted as being factual.]

> Nor should we ball up the wax where all contemporary
> and subsequent work becomes suspect, or worse,
> it's all wrong.

Well, therein hangs the tail. Whenever some of us are told "there's a body of evidence", it usually boils down to context of this nature, context that is derived from presumption, extrapolation, and pure fabrication based on the build-up of a self-consistent narrative that's replete with other similar contextual conjectures. The Tomb Hypothesis is a case in point. Where is there any physical evidence at all, not contextual conjecture, that support the notion that pyramids were originally designed to be tombs? Even the "from-mastaba-to-Step-Pyramid" argument is full of holes. As far as I can tell, there isn't a single iota of direct evidence that speaks to OK pyramids designed for a funerary purpose. It's all apparently based on circumstantial contextual contrivances.


> Anyone have a theory, no matter how inane? How to
> give it traction? Simple ... just find a way to
> say all experts are either wrong, charlatans in a
> soup of bath water, or incompetent.
>
> Seriously?

Nice try, but that's not what's going on here. Rather, some of us are holding the line very firmly at what the direct physical evidence says. We are asking whether the pyramids were DESIGNED to be tombs, not just whether they might have been USED as tombs at some point in their history. We are asking whether the is any DIRECT evidence of an original funerary function, not just a CONTRIVED context based on self-consistent conjectures. It's not fair for you to generalize what you think the "alts" say. Stick to the facts of the evidence and stop claiming it's merely "out there for anyone who looks". Believe me when I tell you that we've looked, we've read the references, and there's no direct evidence. It's all conjecture that attempts to imbue itself as factual for the sake of building a smokescreen context onto which other self-consistent claims can hang. It's getting old and more tenuous with each passing day.


> Even Lehner is conjecture, albeit with a better
> foundation. Neither of them found videotapes made
> by the ancient Egyptians revealing the final, true story.

All Lehner was saying is that Reisner had no evidence to make such a claim which had been taken as fact for 60 years up to that point. Period. Lehner's further "conjecture" about an alternate function of G7000x was simply his gracious attempt to help Reisner save face by trying to still hang some kind of funerary context onto G7000x, but even Lehner's interpration is based on slim pickings. The condition of that "trash heap" decries even Lehner's softer landing, let alone Reisner's preposterous fiction.


> And yes, it is deflective, because your point is
> an attempt to broad-brush all of archaeology with
> one example.

Nonsense. My point is merely to seek direct physical evidence when claim is made. If you read any "broad-brush" into my comment, then you would be acknowledging that the claim of "context" is indeed largely based on conjecture rather than direct evidence.

I simply refuse to be fooled by arguments about "it's all in the context" when the more I look, the more such references to context seem to be based on conjecture that often is accompanied by zero direct evidence to back it up.


> We are talking about what
> evidence there is at Giza to show the pyramids
> were funerary.

But why is that considered to be an issue that needs any clarification? Who has ever denied that pyramids were ever "used" for funerary purposes? I know of no one that denies that, so it's curious that Pete et al. are trying to focus on that rather than (what I consider to be) the far more important question of intention of the builders and the purpose of the original design. To simply argue that one or more OK pyramid was merely "used" as a tomb at some point in its history deflects from that more fundamental issue.


> Discussing Reisner's (or Lehner's)
> view of 'Hetepheres' and the 'Khufu Stele' is
> irrelevant to this point. Because if you want to
> bring up examples of error, let's swap fishing
> rods and look at all the evidence that isn't. And
> then what will you do?

I'm not sure what you mean by that. I'm only looking at the evidence in the first place. If there isn't any evidence to back up a claim then the claim may not stand as fact. It's a very simple point. Reisner made a claim that was based on zero evidence. Engelbach had zero evidence regarding the provenance of that stele. This nonsense about "it's based on context" is a smoke and mirrors attempt to deflect from the harsh reality that many of the traditional tenets are based on obsolete standards of proof which allowed the possibility that if it just seemed "plausible" to suggest something, then it could indeed be taken as fact. It goes as far back as Herodotus and Strabo, and as recently as Reisner, Engelbach, up to Lehner, and even to Hawass, Stocks, Tallet, Bulow-Jacobsen, etc.

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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06-Jun-16 01:01 by Origyptian.

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Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 3199 Pete Vanderzwet 06-Feb-16 01:54
Re: Were the Egyptians used as Tombs? 802 carolb 06-Feb-16 02:03
Re: Were the Egyptians used as Tombs? 783 Pete Vanderzwet 06-Feb-16 02:09
Re: Were the Egyptians used as Tombs? 747 Jon Ellison 06-Feb-16 11:56
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 642 cladking 06-Feb-16 15:14
Re: Were the Egyptians used as Tombs? 656 Pete Vanderzwet 06-Feb-16 15:57
Re: Were the Egyptians used as Tombs? 670 Jon Ellison 06-Feb-16 16:56
Re: Were the Egyptians used as Tombs? 646 Pete Vanderzwet 06-Feb-16 18:12
Re: Were the Egyptians used as Tombs? 660 cladking 06-Feb-16 21:27
Re: Were the Egyptians used as Tombs? 689 Spiros 07-Feb-16 00:33
But How do they Get Away with Calling it a Science? 593 cladking 08-Feb-16 15:47
Re: But How do they Get Away with Calling it a Science? 617 Audrey 08-Feb-16 16:55
Re: But How do they Get Away with Calling it a Science? 604 cladking 08-Feb-16 17:31
Re: But How do they Get Away with Calling it a Science? 584 Audrey 08-Feb-16 18:00
Re: But How do they Get Away with Calling it a Science? 680 cladking 08-Feb-16 18:36
Re: But How do they Get Away with Calling it a Science? 622 R Avry Wilson 09-Feb-16 00:46
Princess in a box 633 Audrey 09-Feb-16 02:33
Re: Princess in a box 655 Pete Vanderzwet 09-Feb-16 18:00
Re: Princess in a box 658 Audrey 10-Feb-16 02:57
Re: Princess in a box 615 Pete Vanderzwet 11-Feb-16 03:23
Re: Princess in a box 644 Origyptian 11-Feb-16 04:14
Re: Princess in a box 615 Pete Vanderzwet 11-Feb-16 04:24
Re: Princess in a box 644 Origyptian 11-Feb-16 15:12
Re: Princess in a box 652 Audrey 11-Feb-16 17:01
Re: Princess in a box 661 Pete Vanderzwet 11-Feb-16 20:35
Re: But How do they Get Away with Calling it a Science? 617 Pete Vanderzwet 09-Feb-16 17:44
Tangent: 'Wayback' when ... 719 R Avry Wilson 09-Feb-16 19:54
Re: But How do they Get Away with Calling it a Science? 695 Spiros 09-Feb-16 13:57
Re: Were the Egyptians used as Tombs? 576 Jon Ellison 06-Feb-16 17:16
Re: Were the Egyptians used as Tombs? 710 Pete Vanderzwet 06-Feb-16 18:13
Re: Were the Egyptians used as Tombs? 594 Jon Ellison 06-Feb-16 18:22
Re: Were the Egyptians used as Tombs? 638 Pete Vanderzwet 06-Feb-16 18:29
Re: Were the Egyptians used as Tombs? 626 Jon Ellison 06-Feb-16 18:34
Re: Were the Egyptians used as Tombs? 608 Pete Vanderzwet 06-Feb-16 18:43
Re: Were the Egyptians used as Tombs? 660 Jon Ellison 06-Feb-16 18:53
Re: Were the Egyptians used as Tombs? 621 Pete Vanderzwet 06-Feb-16 18:59
Re: Were the Egyptians used as Tombs? 678 Jon Ellison 06-Feb-16 19:11
Re: Were the Egyptians used as Tombs? 586 Pete Vanderzwet 07-Feb-16 17:03
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Re: Were the Egyptians used as Tombs? 647 Audrey 07-Feb-16 04:00
Re: Were the Egyptians used as Tombs? 690 Jon Ellison 07-Feb-16 05:09
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Re: Were the Egyptians used as Tombs? 608 Pete Vanderzwet 07-Feb-16 17:05
Re: Were the Egyptians used as Tombs? 629 Audrey 07-Feb-16 17:42
Re: Were the Egyptians used as Tombs? 571 Pete Vanderzwet 07-Feb-16 18:01
Re: Were the Egyptians used as Tombs? 612 cladking 07-Feb-16 20:46
Re: Were the Egyptians used as Tombs? 711 Audrey 07-Feb-16 20:55
Re: Were the Egyptians used as Tombs? 674 Corpuscles 07-Feb-16 07:38
Re: Were the Egyptians used as Tombs? 701 Martin Stower 07-Feb-16 16:32
Re: Were the Egyptians used as Tombs? 631 Corpuscles 07-Feb-16 17:50
Re: Were the Egyptians used as Tombs? 609 Martin Stower 07-Feb-16 18:09
Re: Were the Egyptians used as Tombs? 607 Corpuscles 07-Feb-16 18:43
Re: Were the Egyptians used as Tombs? 643 Martin Stower 07-Feb-16 19:09
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Re: Snefru frequent flier miles 667 Corpuscles 08-Feb-16 00:05
Re: Snefru frequent flier miles 680 Martin Stower 08-Feb-16 02:26
Re: Pyramids...pyramid fields which mirror the heavens 631 Thunderbird 08-Feb-16 05:56
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Re: Were the Egyptians used as Tombs? 657 Martin Stower 07-Feb-16 17:48
Re: Were the Egyptians used as Tombs? 697 Audrey 07-Feb-16 20:45
Re: Were the Egyptians used as Tombs? 609 Martin Stower 07-Feb-16 21:58
Re: Were the Egyptians used as Tombs? 644 cladking 06-Feb-16 21:38
Re: Were the Egyptians used as Tombs? 614 Pete Vanderzwet 07-Feb-16 17:09
Re: Were the Egyptians used as Tombs? 573 cladking 07-Feb-16 21:20
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Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 585 Brian Patterson 07-Feb-16 21:19
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 640 cladking 07-Feb-16 21:37
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 483 Pete Vanderzwet 08-Feb-16 18:13
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 582 cladking 08-Feb-16 19:09
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 660 Pete Vanderzwet 09-Feb-16 18:10
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 596 cladking 09-Feb-16 19:43
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 630 R Avry Wilson 09-Feb-16 20:21
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 551 cladking 09-Feb-16 21:23
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 594 Freya 08-Feb-16 18:03
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 553 Pete Vanderzwet 08-Feb-16 18:14
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 503 Freya 09-Feb-16 05:40
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 626 R Avry Wilson 09-Feb-16 06:20
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 519 cladking 09-Feb-16 14:35
Tangent topic: Understanding what AE said 634 R Avry Wilson 09-Feb-16 19:11
Re: Tangent topic: Understanding what AE said 496 cladking 09-Feb-16 20:37
Re: Tangent topic: Understanding what AE said 533 R Avry Wilson 10-Feb-16 06:04
Re: Tangent topic: Understanding what AE said 605 cladking 10-Feb-16 16:22
Re: Tangent topic: Understanding what AE said 825 R Avry Wilson 10-Feb-16 23:43
Re: Tangent topic: Understanding what AE said 577 cladking 11-Feb-16 00:45
Re: Tangent topic: Understanding what AE said 643 cladking 11-Feb-16 15:36
Re: Tangent topic: Understanding what AE said 563 cladking 11-Feb-16 19:20
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 577 cladking 09-Feb-16 14:47
Re : Haaretz.....The Pyramids were tombs....not for grain storage 661 Thunderbird 07-Feb-16 22:32
Re: Re : Haaretz.....The Pyramids were tombs....not for grain storage 546 Martin Stower 07-Feb-16 23:14
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 619 R Avry Wilson 08-Feb-16 05:26
Did ancient Egyptians like their pyramids ? 587 Juha 08-Feb-16 08:53
Re: Did ancient Egyptians like their pyramids ? 600 cladking 08-Feb-16 14:55
Re: Did ancient Egyptians like their pyramids ? 595 eyeofhorus33 08-Feb-16 17:46
Re: Did ancient Egyptians like their pyramids ? 638 cladking 08-Feb-16 19:33
Re: Did ancient Egyptians like their pyramids ? 647 Juha 08-Feb-16 21:44
Re: Did ancient Egyptians like their pyramids ? 546 cladking 08-Feb-16 22:02
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 506 Audrey 08-Feb-16 17:38
Re: The rectangle ....open or with lid. 617 Thunderbird 08-Feb-16 22:45
Re: The rectangle ....open or with lid. 633 Audrey 09-Feb-16 01:16
Re: The rectangle ....open or with lid. 583 Martin Stower 09-Feb-16 04:07
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 511 R Avry Wilson 09-Feb-16 00:14
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 585 Audrey 09-Feb-16 01:46
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 637 R Avry Wilson 09-Feb-16 03:05
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 603 Audrey 09-Feb-16 06:56
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 749 R Avry Wilson 09-Feb-16 07:33
Re: Seeing.....and not seeing. 554 Thunderbird 09-Feb-16 06:25
Re: Seeing.....and not seeing. 592 R Avry Wilson 09-Feb-16 07:18
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 719 Martin Stower 09-Feb-16 03:04
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 631 cladking 09-Feb-16 03:46
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 584 Martin Stower 09-Feb-16 04:10
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 508 cladking 09-Feb-16 04:23
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 540 Martin Stower 09-Feb-16 20:14
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 473 cladking 09-Feb-16 21:34
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 610 Martin Stower 09-Feb-16 23:57
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 593 cladking 10-Feb-16 00:14
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 583 cladking 10-Feb-16 00:26
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 515 R Avry Wilson 10-Feb-16 07:05
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 492 cladking 10-Feb-16 15:07
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 607 R Avry Wilson 10-Feb-16 22:58
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 606 cladking 10-Feb-16 23:19
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 658 R Avry Wilson 11-Feb-16 00:11
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 599 Martin Stower 10-Feb-16 01:01
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 439 cladking 10-Feb-16 01:48
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 627 cladking 09-Feb-16 04:20
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 583 Martin Stower 09-Feb-16 20:27
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 623 cladking 09-Feb-16 21:51
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 607 Audrey 09-Feb-16 06:20
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 644 Thanos5150 10-Feb-16 00:12
Re: The Pyramids....the mirror of heaven 600 Thunderbird 10-Feb-16 05:12
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 609 Martin Stower 10-Feb-16 20:20
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 727 Thanos5150 11-Feb-16 05:20
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 669 Martin Stower 11-Feb-16 13:15
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 679 Thanos5150 11-Feb-16 17:38
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 733 Martin Stower 12-Feb-16 00:02
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 588 Audrey 12-Feb-16 05:30
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 661 Merrell 12-Feb-16 08:40
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 663 Martin Stower 12-Feb-16 17:21
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 587 Audrey 12-Feb-16 17:48
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 548 Martin Stower 13-Feb-16 02:24
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 600 Brian Patterson 12-Feb-16 18:03
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 489 Audrey 12-Feb-16 18:32
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 570 Martin Stower 13-Feb-16 02:31
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 700 Audrey 13-Feb-16 03:18
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 778 Thanos5150 12-Feb-16 05:44
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 595 R Avry Wilson 12-Feb-16 06:50
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 742 Thanos5150 12-Feb-16 16:36
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 616 Audrey 12-Feb-16 17:41
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 582 Thanos5150 12-Feb-16 17:58
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 578 R Avry Wilson 12-Feb-16 18:29
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 626 Thanos5150 12-Feb-16 20:49
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 602 R Avry Wilson 12-Feb-16 22:37
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 614 Thanos5150 12-Feb-16 22:54
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 582 R Avry Wilson 12-Feb-16 23:09
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 615 Thanos5150 13-Feb-16 00:45
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 565 Audrey 13-Feb-16 03:03
Re: Khufu Family ....usurped the Pyramids 513 Thunderbird 13-Feb-16 00:01
Re: Khufu Family ....usurped the Pyramids 573 Thanos5150 13-Feb-16 01:01
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 567 Martin Stower 13-Feb-16 01:53
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 638 Thanos5150 13-Feb-16 04:14
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 523 Thanos5150 14-Feb-16 21:28
Steve? (off topic) 588 R Avry Wilson 12-Feb-16 06:30
Re: Steve? (off topic) 630 Martin Stower 13-Feb-16 02:03
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 594 Origyptian 11-Feb-16 19:35
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 636 Jon Ellison 11-Feb-16 21:15
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 558 Origyptian 11-Feb-16 21:42
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 590 R Avry Wilson 12-Feb-16 06:15
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 533 Origyptian 12-Feb-16 13:20
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 639 R Avry Wilson 12-Feb-16 17:48
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 552 Jon Ellison 12-Feb-16 18:21
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 557 Origyptian 12-Feb-16 22:51
...A clear invitation to your very own pod. 572 cladking 12-Feb-16 20:41
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 587 Origyptian 12-Feb-16 22:47
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 574 R Avry Wilson 12-Feb-16 23:03
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 600 Origyptian 12-Feb-16 23:09
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 594 R Avry Wilson 13-Feb-16 00:06
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 402 Martin Stower 13-Feb-16 20:52
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 566 Origyptian 14-Feb-16 06:01
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 506 Martin Stower 14-Feb-16 23:08
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 463 R Avry Wilson 12-Feb-16 23:40
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 571 Origyptian 13-Feb-16 00:22
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 494 Jon Ellison 12-Feb-16 09:48
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 571 Martin Stower 12-Feb-16 03:03
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 625 Corpuscles 12-Feb-16 06:36
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 491 Martin Stower 13-Feb-16 23:08
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 591 R Avry Wilson 12-Feb-16 06:09
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 593 Origyptian 12-Feb-16 16:03
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 515 Pete Vanderzwet 08-Feb-16 18:16
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 553 molder 08-Feb-16 13:22
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 551 Spiros 08-Feb-16 16:06
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 538 Brian Patterson 08-Feb-16 19:10
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 611 cladking 08-Feb-16 20:17
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 608 Pete Vanderzwet 11-Feb-16 03:43
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 595 cladking 11-Feb-16 04:06
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 621 Pete Vanderzwet 11-Feb-16 05:50
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 587 cladking 11-Feb-16 14:34
Some pesky adverbs 653 drrayeye 09-Feb-16 17:08
Re: Some pesky adverbs 589 Pete Vanderzwet 09-Feb-16 18:13
Re: Some pesky adverbs 600 Brian Patterson 09-Feb-16 19:21
Re: Some pesky adverbs 614 Pete Vanderzwet 09-Feb-16 19:24
Re: Some pesky adverbs 530 Brian Patterson 09-Feb-16 19:29
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 642 Sirius7237 10-Feb-16 05:32
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 607 Brian Patterson 11-Feb-16 19:37
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 590 Corpuscles 13-Feb-16 00:06
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 570 Origyptian 13-Feb-16 00:33
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 604 cladking 13-Feb-16 00:43
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 526 Pete Vanderzwet 13-Feb-16 00:42
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 601 Thanos5150 13-Feb-16 01:35
Re: Were the Egyptian Pyramids used as Tombs? 624 Brian Patterson 13-Feb-16 00:37
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