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Hi Howard,

Thank you for your reply. I think
I have a better understanding of your approach.

You stated: "Because, you believe
the texts of the Old Testament are recent
fabrication it is hard for you to glean any the
historical nuggets that can then be verified through other
non biblical sources."

While I do believe The Old Testament
is a recent "fabrication", see King James Bible,
I am not opposed to other sources such as The Torah and
even Flavius Josephus.

From Jewish Tradition,

[ohr.edu]

"According to the verse in the Torah
the Jews built storage cities, Pithom and Rameses.
Pithom is probably ancient Tanis, and Rameses has been identified
as either Pelusium or Quantir. None of these places had pyramids, and pyramids
were certainly not used for storage. They were tombs of the Pharaohs."

And while Flavius Josephus does
say that the Israelites were building pyramids,

Source: [www.sacred-texts.com]

"1. NOW it happened that the Egyptians
grew delicate and lazy, as to pains-taking, and
gave themselves up to other pleasures, and in particular to
the love of gain. They also became very ill-affected towards the Hebrews,
as touched with envy at their prosperity; for when they saw how the nation of the
Israelites flourished, and were become eminent already in plenty of wealth, which they had
acquired by their virtue and natural love of labor, they thought their increase was to their own detriment. And having, in length of time, forgotten the benefits they had received from Joseph, particularly the crown being now come into another family, they became very abusive to the Israelites, and contrived many ways of afflicting them; for they enjoined them to cut a great number of channels for the river, and to build walls for their cities and ramparts, that they might restrain the river, and hinder its waters from stagnating, upon its running over its own banks: they set them also to build pyramids,and by all this wore them out; and forced them to learn all sorts of mechanical arts, and to accustom themselves to hard labor."

And while this is before The Exodus,
it fits tightly into the time of Aaron and Moses.

From [www.kingjamesbibleonline.org]


I am willing to accept that some
Israelites built pyramids, in Exodus it
clearly states The Israelites were making bricks.

"5And Pharaoh said, Behold, the
people of the land now [are] many, and ye
make them rest from their burdens. 6And Pharaoh
commanded the same day the taskmasters of the people,
and their officers, saying, 7Ye shall no more give the people
straw to make brick, as heretofore: let them go and gather straw for
themselves. 8And the tale of the bricks, which they did make heretofore, ye
shall lay upon them; ye shall not diminish [ought] thereof: for they [be] idle; therefore
they cry, saying, Let us go [and] sacrifice to our God. 9Let there more work be laid upon the men,
that they may labour therein; and let them not regard vain words."

Bricks. At the time of Exodus,
pyramids were being built by Pharaohs.

From Wiki here: [en.wikipedia.org]

"The pyramid was originally about
75 meters tall with a base 105 meters long
and an incline of 57°. Typical for pyramids of the
Middle Kingdom, the Black Pyramid, although encased in limestone,
is made of mud brick and clay instead of stone."



This would put an approximate
date of 1600 B.C. to 1500 B.C. on the radar,
a thousand years after the building of The Great Pyramid.
There is no evidence I can find, even by your standards, that suggests
the Israelites built any of the pyramids at Giza, much less The Great Pyramid of Giza.

All the best,

Brian #3

Edited to capitalize a word.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01-Dec-15 17:28 by Brian Patterson.

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